Jordan Sukut and Peter Kaminski, 2022-10-26

Topics

  • harvesting and minor composting of value we've created
  • we have the best start to the next season
    • have all the set-up
  • Pete helping with Lionsberg
  • time currency
  • Wednesday group

Wednesday Group

  • Don't force a reformulation...
  • See notes below, space will remain open for those who want to join... as a Lionsberg Call hosted by Jordan
  • Some in the group - may start other calls at other times for specific purposes - which is exactly the right thing to happen.

Wednesday Call

  • Maybe can become a very open space that whoever is involved in Lionsberg works together to open up and facilitate for anyone who wants to build community, talk about what's happening in the (network / plex / meta project) etc.
  • What we are each doing, what is happening in the broader world, and how we might be able to work together...
  • Pete - likely has too much baggage - so close it out and restart a new rhythm
  • Pete suggests we purposely burn that bridge...
  • Keep the topic... I host... have it be a Lionsberg call...
    • Open and friendly for Quaker meeting style presence
  • It is not a meta project call - it is a Lionsberg call - and we will create a reverant call...
  • Lionsberg Meeting

Calls

  • It is generally bad to have calls without purpose...
  • It less it is a very specific purposeless purpose...
    • like a quaker meeting...
    • Feels like a reverent space into which each of us are called to speak a truth... and we all come away enlightened.

Lionsberg

  • Jordan is going to start working with a team...
  • Tracking time currency and investment...
  • Weekly Lionsberg Meeting space on Wednesday...
  • Other meetings as necessary to progress specific work.

Jordan and Pete / Lionsberg and Massive

  • Start weekly meeting next week to begin iterating on the Lionsberg Mind...
  • Start tracking Time Currency and Value Creation... in a way that can lead towards funding that can accelerate the team..

Time and Value

  • Value is more important than time
  • A failure mode is accounting for time on task rather than GOALS ACCOMPLISHED...
  • Value is also really important...
  • But there is intangible time that comes from working together...
  • This is kind of like unit pricing vs. T&M...
  • So we want to track Time Spent In Teams Doing Valuable Work
    • (Pete's skeptical about tracking time at all)
  • And - Track Value Creation...

Potential Currency Game

  • A group commits that they are going to do stuff together
  • Something like - once a week people say to the group something like
    • Here is what I did that I think was of value...
    • and here is approximately what I think the value is...
    • And the group - validates it...
    • and Michael's experience is that usually the group values the contributions more highly than the individual does... so it works...
  • Pete
    • This may be a step or two up from basic...
    • still doesn't feel right...
  • Let's keep working on this...
  • Another way to do it...
    • is via UBI
    • I don't want you to track...
    • maybe quarter half full tie levels...
  • I find value in tracking value creation...
  • and also in the unrestricted operating grants for talented people to do what they believe they should do next to accomplish the goal... and having Faith that value is getting created...
  • And tracking value creation - is a rough back check...
  • Usually community has to advocate for the value they see in others...
  • Often people will try to hide the value they created...
    • Often we don't want our work to get weighed and measured...
  • So homework for community is to be really thoughtful and vigilant about -
    • so and so doesn't do anything
    • another person say - no she is the glue that holds us together...
  • In a good society, it just works, everyone gets fed, and even the people who you arent' sure, no one can advocate for them, there is at least some value created by being a part of the group...
  • In UBI - you have to make sure htat we are accomplish GOALS AND HIGHER PURPOSES...
  • Vigilance - are we continuing to make progress - even through progress isn't tied to the way we share resources...
  • A few approximate time/commitment ranges
    • 1/10th
    • 1/4th
    • 1/2
    • 3/4
    • Full consciousness
      • this is really a multiple of full time because it becomes how you are, what you think about when you're asleep, in the shower, etc...
      • paves the way for Epiphanies bursting in upon you that can cut massive shortcuts...
      • that are more possible the more you attend to something... (not necessarily the outcome of full time)
  • Something like
    • We are all here in service of one overarching and uniting goal - meta goal
    • Each of us is spending some portion of our time...
  • Value Bands
    • As a young organization - maybe intern band and 3 or 4 steps...
    • it is a negotiation between the indivdiual, the community, and the community's GOALS...
    • review every couple months...
    • When the individual and community make a co-commitment to one another
    • Here is the level of commitment to the project
    • and here is the level of values I think I can create relative to the goals of the community...
    • Lionsberg has particular goals it is working towards
    • Is something is contributing a lot but not ADVANCING THE OBJECTIVES... it is essentially an advisor bonus
    • co-commitment...
    • Here is the level of commitment I am going to make...
    • and in good faith I think everyone will be please in two months...
    • and come to one of the 7 levels...
    • fewer levels in the beginning, more for mature organization
    • Review - do you think you are contributing on the quarter commitment level
    • How do you feel about it?
    • How does the community feel about it...
    • Just doing it honestly - did you really think you earned that...
    • you will end up in a sitaution where there is some disagreement...
    • it is a qualativie and human negotaiton...
    • and normal humans - when sharing the feast - normal humans make sure everyone fed, getting right amount...
  • If it is a stragith 1 to 7 level of value creation, agreed in community, that implicityly recognizes both time / value / commitment all in one...
  • even value created is the wrong metrics...
  • It is commitment level - not value...
  • and there are two kinds of goals - heart and soul goal... and our imperfect understanding / hypotheses of how we get there... hypotheses of heart and sould goal
  • what we want to advance towards is higher purpose and goal...
  • even lame ill grandma - lying there on couch, getting fed and nursed.. .
    • the act of feeding and nursing grandma helps people advance their heart and soul in a way that is intangible and not in the way of creating better IT system or making sure thirsty people got water...
    • we are feeding homeless people who aren't contributing - of course they are - they are contributing by being fed and letting us help them
    • a dn teh investment we make in them is returned many fold in ways we can't even know...
  • When you are ready and the community is ready - an agreement is made...
  • and we use wisdom and discernment and judgmenet to do the right thing at the right time for the right reasons to accomplish the highest objective.
  • Community can award bonuses or special recognition, honor, etc... for things contributed, work done prior...
  • at christmas or thanksgiving
    • shoot - X got more than they deserve, but its ok its christmas time
    • shoot - x got less - let's share and set that right...
  • net net thing is commitment towards higher purpose and the only way to judge that is in community...

Jordan's Summary to Incorporate...

  • The Lionsberg Time Currency was a concept that was a stepping stone.
  • Our Current Best Understanding is that the Lionsberg Currency should begin with a simple Level Of Commitment on a scale from 1 to 7, made as an agreement between the individual and the Community.
  • If this scales out to all humanity, our entire society would operate on a 1 to 7 level of income equality, that could allow for resources and standards of living to adjusted as appropriate across all various contexts as we grapple with the currency systems of the Old World.

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