Jordan Sukut and Peter Kaminski, 2022-08-15

Topics

  • Upgrading Lionsberg Wiki
  • J and Pete mini retro - key adjustments at outset of Cycle 3...
  • Teams
  • AI Art and Illustration

Resources

  • The Network State, Balaji S. Srinivasan

J and Pete Mini Retro

  • Six-week cycles
    • "drumbeat", nice pauses
  • Social Dynamics
  • What might the 2 or 3 most important improvements be?
  • What might the 2 or 3 most important opportunities / needs be?
  • The Killu/Pete Navigation meeting

Teams

  • Jordan in a few key places?

Upgrading Lionsberg Wiki

We want to upgrade Massive Wiki Builder for Lionsberg Wiki from v1.7 to v2.0. The enhancements include:

  • better directory structure for MWB (Massive Wiki Builder) and MWT (Massive Wiki Themes)
    • (a bit of a breaking change with the old directory structure)
    • (allows for better favicon directory placement)
  • client-side full-text stemming search

We will get extra functionality, and also stay up-to-date with the MWB dev team, so we can more easily continue to upgrade to the latest and greatest features.

Images and Art and AI

  • Availability of new AI tools that will chanage the way we do art and illustration.
  • Ecosystems, marketplaces, forums...

Project Management

  • Pete would eventually like Lionsberg / meta project to do PM type stuff, build teams, etc...
  • And - It's a big job that will eventually take other people doing the heavy lift...
  • Pete will have less energy to make sure it happens the way he thinks it should happen...

Pete's Areas

  • Massive Wiki / Massive Human Intelligence Project
  • Collective Sense Commons (CSC)
  • "Conversational Capture and Composting" facilitation, capture, composting, web sites
    • Water Choices, Yarns,
    • Could be back end for (things like) Farm Bill
    • Could be done more for OGM, Meta Project, Book Circles, etc.
  • Consulting / Advising
    • CTO stuff (Internet, databases, product dev)
    • Product Development management
      • art and science of understanding how to understand what needs to get built, and building things that work well
      • human-centered design
      • requirements management
  • Project Management
  • Images / Art / Illustration AI...
    • Why?
    • Imagery is important...
    • There is a big shift happening... bigger than most waves...
    • Similar waves with written material...
    • Decades out - working very naturally with AI tools... augmenting
    • natural language... guiding AI...
    • Basic new wave is AI...
  • 25 years ago
    • would have raced to market with $1M and community based around that... simple exit strategy...
    • FB, Google, Etc. racing along
    • In 5 or 10 a bunch of rollups / consolidation, someone with 100k artists on a paltform will get cashed out...
  • And that is not waht we want to do
  • The Path Now
    • build community
    • grass rootsy
    • open sourcy
    • discussion forums
    • markets, exchanges,
    • lots of people helping each other move into a new world.
    • The 10k or 100k people you can gather from the world, have high bandwidth conversations.

Decentralization

  • some of us love the ideas of decentralization...

  • The concept is hard to describe, doesn't make sense, some of us are living in the future, can see it happening, doesn't make any sense to anyone else...

  • Hypothesis: Don't put so hard on the right ultimate way to do it.

    • over past 6 to 8 weeks, the things that MP is coalescing towards is something that is too big, but people want to work together as part of a bigger thing... feels safer, more normal...
    • Pretty sure - that the right thing to do is have a bunch of 6 to 12 people in self interested sovereigns...
    • And Amazon rant...
    • What we are missing is
      • is entrepreneurial spirit...
      • many people don't have it...
      • many people can't understand it...
      • all you have to do is say I am doing this, do you want to follow me or not...
      • back to educational system...
    • Be a nursery, see initiative, start to nurture more...
  • Jordan said something... Pete responded

    • The 30% cooperation time won't feel like overhead...
    • It will feel like empowerment...
    • You can get so much done with your little 6 person team...
    • and if you spend the time to cooperate with the network... you will get so much farther faster...
  • People want to call what we are doing something, so we know where we are going together...

  • Example: AI Art Marketplaces and Communities

    • We have art and illustration marketplaces already
    • The reason they might not be good enough - is that we have to deal with thousands of times more images, and more components of images that never existed before.
    • The way to get an AI to make an image is to give it a Prompt.
    • That Prompt never existed before, and is not a key part of making stuff...
    • There is now a marketplace where you can go sell Prompts - as a new commodity.
    • Failure - to do it too soon and too brittle...
    • Even inside a Prompt - there are 2 or 3 parts..
      • one is the subject you want made into the image
      • Another is the sweeteners... descripters of how...
      • These really belong separate...
    • A lot more scope and scale
    • a lot mor efine grained compoenents
    • a lot more participants... in a massive range of capabilities...
    • many making so much junk it clogs the filters...
    • and there will still be 10 or 1000 times as many artists and illustrators, just using a different tool than their hands...
    • 10s of thousands of times number of images to push through the system..
    • old bell curve very narrow,
    • new one very wide
    • Used to be - that if an artist graduated from art school - tough to be bad...
    • when you stretch that out to encompass millions of peoples - all of a sudden a lot of junk being made in the bottom of hte bell curve
    • wierd secondary and tertiary effects...
      • Such as a bunch of crap into systems not built for it
      • so you get an allergy to it... because you can't / don't have time to find the GOLD / VALUE...
    • The process of making an illustration for a magazine, fine art...
      • used to be a small set of workflow people
      • art director
      • illustrators
      • touch up people
    • In the new world
      • Whole back end infrastructure
      • Prompt engineer who thinks in conceptual terms...
      • Art director...
      • Someone good at navigatin conceptual space with AI
      • AI will produce a bunch of images.
      • people who upscale them, more resolution
      • finishing people that polish the art
      • stretches out the number of roles..
    • Metaphor of Digital Music
      • Stretch out the number of roles, but can sometimes compress it to one PERSON...
      • can go to online marketplace... find a vocalist...
      • online marketplace. people who just do production... take mixed music, and because they know about frequency ranges, filtering, like photography, can take a nice well composed piece and do post production to tweak saturdation, contrast - another art in itself...
      • same with music
      • same with AI art.
    • So you need marketplaces for all those kinds of things...
    • Small images - that if you blow them up look bad...
    • if you just make it bigger, get little wierd bugs you can't fix unless you are an artist...
    • if would buy as fine art if I could blow it up... but can't...
    • so you have to tke it to fine artist... and say I can now explain it...
    • can you paint it traditionally, in the same style, but at full resolution...
    • In AI Art Marketplace
      • 3 or 4 order of magnitude more volume
      • collaborative ranking
      • need people to teach one another skills.
      • Marketplaces for all components
      • marketplaces for skills
      • Mentoring on tool use.
      • Marketplaces for pieces of hte components... parts of prompts, then full prompts...
      • marketplaces for various levels of art completeness
      • marketplaces for artists who can take decent rendering that wont work, and repaint it...
  • NFT marketplaces

    • Where we are up to is... they can't handle very much volume... the meta information is really sparse...
    • if you came into marketplace and had all the meta data - they don't have a place to put the extra compoenets...
    • Its not one marketplace, or 5, but an ecosystem of 20 or 40 markets all intertwined together...
    • Art director for maganzie - established process - go to Getty Images - has spent countless millions and manhours... to find art...
    • If out of melange of collaborators...
    • They have, like sound cloud of spotify, spotify also has to figure out how to live in an environment... where 3 or 4 guys in a garage made an amazing album.
  • Also need community around it

  • and interface to existing old school markets...

  • Then if you do it right, a bunch of the 10 hour mentor course for x... and let's have shares in a new artist cooperative, you teach x, and I'll give you y, with marketplaces there is trading, startup equity that you trade with as well as money...

Tools

  • Open AI makes Dall-E
  • Mid Journey
  • Stable Diffusion

Bootstrapping

  • Who the people are... where they live already... instagram, art station, deviant art.
  • A lot of early work on discord... getting people into the same rooms, new and existing platforms...
  • 3 months early adopters - hey let's build a real thing...
  • 6 months - small beta together

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