Jordan Sukut and Peter Kaminski, 2022-08-15
Topics
- Upgrading Lionsberg Wiki
- J and Pete mini retro - key adjustments at outset of Cycle 3...
- Teams
- AI Art and Illustration
Resources
- The Network State, Balaji S. Srinivasan
J and Pete Mini Retro
- Six-week cycles
- Social Dynamics
- What might the 2 or 3 most important improvements be?
- What might the 2 or 3 most important opportunities / needs be?
- The Killu/Pete Navigation meeting
Teams
- Jordan in a few key places?
Upgrading Lionsberg Wiki
We want to upgrade Massive Wiki Builder for Lionsberg Wiki from v1.7 to v2.0. The enhancements include:
- better directory structure for MWB (Massive Wiki Builder) and MWT (Massive Wiki Themes)
- (a bit of a breaking change with the old directory structure)
- (allows for better favicon directory placement)
- client-side full-text stemming search
We will get extra functionality, and also stay up-to-date with the MWB dev team, so we can more easily continue to upgrade to the latest and greatest features.
Images and Art and AI
- Availability of new AI tools that will chanage the way we do art and illustration.
- Ecosystems, marketplaces, forums...
Project Management
- Pete would eventually like Lionsberg / meta project to do PM type stuff, build teams, etc...
- And - It's a big job that will eventually take other people doing the heavy lift...
- Pete will have less energy to make sure it happens the way he thinks it should happen...
Pete's Areas
- Massive Wiki / Massive Human Intelligence Project
- Collective Sense Commons (CSC)
- "Conversational Capture and Composting" facilitation, capture, composting, web sites
- Water Choices, Yarns,
- Could be back end for (things like) Farm Bill
- Could be done more for OGM, Meta Project, Book Circles, etc.
- Consulting / Advising
- CTO stuff (Internet, databases, product dev)
- Product Development management
- art and science of understanding how to understand what needs to get built, and building things that work well
- human-centered design
- requirements management
- Project Management
- Images / Art / Illustration AI...
- Why?
- Imagery is important...
- There is a big shift happening... bigger than most waves...
- Similar waves with written material...
- Decades out - working very naturally with AI tools... augmenting
- natural language... guiding AI...
- Basic new wave is AI...
- 25 years ago
- would have raced to market with $1M and community based around that... simple exit strategy...
- FB, Google, Etc. racing along
- In 5 or 10 a bunch of rollups / consolidation, someone with 100k artists on a paltform will get cashed out...
- And that is not waht we want to do
- The Path Now
- build community
- grass rootsy
- open sourcy
- discussion forums
- markets, exchanges,
- lots of people helping each other move into a new world.
- The 10k or 100k people you can gather from the world, have high bandwidth conversations.
Decentralization
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some of us love the ideas of decentralization...
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The concept is hard to describe, doesn't make sense, some of us are living in the future, can see it happening, doesn't make any sense to anyone else...
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Hypothesis: Don't put so hard on the right ultimate way to do it.
- over past 6 to 8 weeks, the things that MP is coalescing towards is something that is too big, but people want to work together as part of a bigger thing... feels safer, more normal...
- Pretty sure - that the right thing to do is have a bunch of 6 to 12 people in self interested sovereigns...
- And Amazon rant...
- What we are missing is
- is entrepreneurial spirit...
- many people don't have it...
- many people can't understand it...
- all you have to do is say I am doing this, do you want to follow me or not...
- back to educational system...
- Be a nursery, see initiative, start to nurture more...
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Jordan said something... Pete responded
- The 30% cooperation time won't feel like overhead...
- It will feel like empowerment...
- You can get so much done with your little 6 person team...
- and if you spend the time to cooperate with the network... you will get so much farther faster...
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People want to call what we are doing something, so we know where we are going together...
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Example: AI Art Marketplaces and Communities
- We have art and illustration marketplaces already
- The reason they might not be good enough - is that we have to deal with thousands of times more images, and more components of images that never existed before.
- The way to get an AI to make an image is to give it a Prompt.
- That Prompt never existed before, and is not a key part of making stuff...
- There is now a marketplace where you can go sell Prompts - as a new commodity.
- Failure - to do it too soon and too brittle...
- Even inside a Prompt - there are 2 or 3 parts..
- one is the subject you want made into the image
- Another is the sweeteners... descripters of how...
- These really belong separate...
- A lot more scope and scale
- a lot mor efine grained compoenents
- a lot more participants... in a massive range of capabilities...
- many making so much junk it clogs the filters...
- and there will still be 10 or 1000 times as many artists and illustrators, just using a different tool than their hands...
- 10s of thousands of times number of images to push through the system..
- old bell curve very narrow,
- new one very wide
- Used to be - that if an artist graduated from art school - tough to be bad...
- when you stretch that out to encompass millions of peoples - all of a sudden a lot of junk being made in the bottom of hte bell curve
- wierd secondary and tertiary effects...
- Such as a bunch of crap into systems not built for it
- so you get an allergy to it... because you can't / don't have time to find the GOLD / VALUE...
- The process of making an illustration for a magazine, fine art...
- used to be a small set of workflow people
- art director
- illustrators
- touch up people
- In the new world
- Whole back end infrastructure
- Prompt engineer who thinks in conceptual terms...
- Art director...
- Someone good at navigatin conceptual space with AI
- AI will produce a bunch of images.
- people who upscale them, more resolution
- finishing people that polish the art
- stretches out the number of roles..
- Metaphor of Digital Music
- Stretch out the number of roles, but can sometimes compress it to one PERSON...
- can go to online marketplace... find a vocalist...
- online marketplace. people who just do production... take mixed music, and because they know about frequency ranges, filtering, like photography, can take a nice well composed piece and do post production to tweak saturdation, contrast - another art in itself...
- same with music
- same with AI art.
- So you need marketplaces for all those kinds of things...
- Small images - that if you blow them up look bad...
- if you just make it bigger, get little wierd bugs you can't fix unless you are an artist...
- if would buy as fine art if I could blow it up... but can't...
- so you have to tke it to fine artist... and say I can now explain it...
- can you paint it traditionally, in the same style, but at full resolution...
- In AI Art Marketplace
- 3 or 4 order of magnitude more volume
- collaborative ranking
- need people to teach one another skills.
- Marketplaces for all components
- marketplaces for skills
- Mentoring on tool use.
- Marketplaces for pieces of hte components... parts of prompts, then full prompts...
- marketplaces for various levels of art completeness
- marketplaces for artists who can take decent rendering that wont work, and repaint it...
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NFT marketplaces
- Where we are up to is... they can't handle very much volume... the meta information is really sparse...
- if you came into marketplace and had all the meta data - they don't have a place to put the extra compoenets...
- Its not one marketplace, or 5, but an ecosystem of 20 or 40 markets all intertwined together...
- Art director for maganzie - established process - go to Getty Images - has spent countless millions and manhours... to find art...
- If out of melange of collaborators...
- They have, like sound cloud of spotify, spotify also has to figure out how to live in an environment... where 3 or 4 guys in a garage made an amazing album.
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Also need community around it
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and interface to existing old school markets...
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Then if you do it right, a bunch of the 10 hour mentor course for x... and let's have shares in a new artist cooperative, you teach x, and I'll give you y, with marketplaces there is trading, startup equity that you trade with as well as money...
Tools
- Open AI makes Dall-E
- Mid Journey
- Stable Diffusion
Bootstrapping
- Who the people are... where they live already... instagram, art station, deviant art.
- A lot of early work on discord... getting people into the same rooms, new and existing platforms...
- 3 months early adopters - hey let's build a real thing...
- 6 months - small beta together
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