WEBVTT 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:42.000 okay, great. So we're, here august 20 s then a retrospective for the offered. It needs marketplace that we attempted last week, and so we had some good things happen, and some things we wanted to improve. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:56.000 So we wanted to have a specific workshop just to focus on the process going forward 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:04.000 So, Benson, or whoever would you like to begin 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:10.000 I see another minute i'm just grabbing the zoom chat and i'm putting it through the bentley's zoom. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:16.000 Chat. easy, reader, Just so. we have it in like a spreadsheet, and then we can go through. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:27.000 I can lead us through the feedback. but if someone wants to do something else to start off There's a few other topics 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.000 I would just wait for that. Yeah, that's quite a good place to start. 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:48.000 So say you can concentrate 00:02:48.000 --> 00:03:06.000 On some of the group until we're ready I suppose if you want to let me just save it 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:18.000 Okay. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:26.000 Okay, So I think this is where we started the retro at 5, 28. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:32.000 So what questions? What do you find transformative? Did we ask the right questions, and what what? 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:43.000 Well. So at this point I believe we decided we would do a quick waterfall on the chat, and not really go into those in detail. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.000 And this is kind of the start of the feedback. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:55.000 So Judy said good questions, rich input but highly varied in content and style. 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:08.000 So we'll need some sorting so is that in reference to the actual needs and offers themselves 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:23.000 That there needs to be We use a filtering, filtering them or sorting them so so a way to say that, being like varying constant, or style, see. So we ask a prompt and then lots of people receive that in different 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:43.000 ways and respond in different ways. So I guess the issues there that the varying content and and style of responses might require some post processing, and also it's 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:49.000 The the structure is different from offered offer right so you Can't. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:54.000 Just not everybody got the same thing in the same place and in their office. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:05:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:16.000 Yeah, I did. I did think that. the prompt of what it was we were just purpose. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:32.000 What was not quite clear, and and so, you know, I think the the answer is, had a lot of room for variance, and 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:44.000 I'm i'm still puzzling over on honestly you know what, how, how one offers, what and asks what of whom? 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:49.000 Just seems, you know, sort of intimidatingly broad in a way. 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:56.000 Yeah, we that was that was a core reflection that I think Pete and I had to. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:08.000 It's almost like we jumped in to kind of to like creating off to sharing offers and needs without building up like the substrata Almost I think what you're saying of like the context. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Why, this is important, how it best then rolls it's it's almost like we start playing a game without really dialing into the rules a little bit something like that 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.000 Okay, So we kind of captured that Vincent, do you? 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:42.000 Wanna i'll just respond to that briefly and say this went pretty similarly to some of the other needs in office workshop. so I've either been in or facilitated, and that high variation of the types 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000 of needs and offers and shared is pretty typical. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:07:02.000 And I expected it. so it is something that we can mold to fit the needs of whatever specific groups that we're running in in for the next time. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:08.000 And So yeah, I think it's it's a I think it was a good experiment to figure out. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.000 Okay, what How should it? What direction should it be pulled towards? 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.000 So yeah curious. if you guys have any just thoughts briefly on like 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:28.000 If we were to rent again, how how would you frame it differently. Let's go i'm gonna make a heading here, Vincent called. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:43.000 Process improvement and put that question in down. If we ran it again, how might we contextualize and brain it differently? Okay. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:50.000 So it'd be okay vincent if we captured that as a question, and then kept going through the feedback, because I think all at least i'll be able to better respond to that once. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:55.000 We once, you maybe have a fuller view of the feedback. 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:01.000 Sure. Yeah, that works 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:12.000 Okay. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Jonathan it's currently it seems like Nobody's using the results, and so I would encourage us to figure out a way to make it more dominant or useful or attractive. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.000 So people go. Oh, gosh, you know I have this need i'm gonna post it. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:51.000 Oh, gosh! I want to see what needs are out there. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:09:11.000 That's where I want that's that's for my attention is going, so maybe we add a section for next steps, and that would include sending out the opportunities that were shared. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:17.000 And we talked about also sending out potentially in like a newsletter format. 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:33.000 Yeah, like classified ads 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Yeah. So I so I agree there's like this issue of you run the workshop and getting people to adopt it as an ongoing thing is completely different issue 00:09:53.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Go to the next chat. I so Jonathan said great questions. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:11.000 All presented, I said, I think we asked the right questions, but needed more time to properly come to agreement or shared understanding on them. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:20.000 So. Yeah, the workshop definitely for me. I I felt a little rush trying to get it into the time. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:28.000 Especially since it was the first time that a lot of people have done the needs an office workshop. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:34.000 It seemed to me so typically like 2 h is a what they suggest. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:51.000 And yeah, I think I think just having more time to kind of respond to questions and to clarify the framing could have helped. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.000 So that was just yeah, one of my main pieces of feedback. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.000 If we were to do it again, to just make sure we have the proper time. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:10.000 Allotment, and if we want to do a retro afterwards, it would have to be a little more than 2 h 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:17.000 It felt 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:29.000 Got it. So we captured that but let's keep going through the responses, and I kind of felt, I guess just a quick reflection is the way I was kind of processing. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:45.000 It sounds like the way. Maybe Michael had received it it was almost like even if we had another 3 4 min per prompt or 5 min per prompt, I think it still might have been difficult i'm I don't know exactly why that 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:54.000 is yet, but so so I guess maybe maybe part of it is having more time to sync up and understand the question. 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Part of it is the pre-existing context and Then I think maybe part of it is just there's it's like 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:15.000 So i'm wondering about the asynchronous elements of I guess of this almost like the asynchronous elements of how markets form versus trying to do it form a market in the session versus like carefully 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:21.000 crafting your craig's list post and going like that they have this circuit, and someone can have it if they'll give me a $100, and you know. 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:32.000 Take some pictures, And then it's like boom and that's all happening, isynchronously, or if it's like, Okay, what do you have in your house that you'd sell for how much you might be able to like pull 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:42.000 together a couple of things, but not sure if there is as much depth or meaning there as as might come forth in other ways. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:54.000 Yeah, I I think that that sums up a lot of sort of understanding of what the market is before you try to play in it. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:13:01.000 It's like you know this was what's going on was at once. 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:25.000 Whatever was 7 or 8 people in like a family meeting, like talking about their personal needs and offers, and then thinking about it in terms of a broader marketplace among you know participants in our our larger group and then thinking 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:43.000 about it and public context, and it was just very it's like is this about the skills that I have to offer in my linkedin profile. that somebody would pay me for or you know i'll cook a meal for 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:49.000 you where you can stay with me, which I wouldn't say to just anybody you can see like did profile. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:54.000 But I would say to everybody in that meeting, and most of the people, it was just. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:02.000 It was too amorphous, I I think to really know and and and it's not it's not really about the process. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:18.000 It's just about the frame of the process and like When I was, I remember I was asking, like, Okay, so this is when you say public, do you mean public to the world or public to everybody on catalyst which are very different publics, I 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:27.000 mean I I might put some stuff on catalyst that I wouldn't put on, you know, a larger platform. 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:32.000 And so yeah, that that kind of stuff, I think, is is useful. 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Framing just like the craig's list example, that that you were using Jordan like, Okay, you know how this game is played. and who's gonna see this? 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:51.000 And yeah like for you might not post on craig's list to New York, that there's free meals in a room to stay in. 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:55.000 So so, and then catalyst like maybe it's everybody on catalyst. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.000 But I don't know how many people are on catalysts and simple. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:07.000 Let's say it's a 1,000 pretty carefully vetted people that are already playing in like the network of networks, you know. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:12.000 So it's it's already fairly curated by that makes sense Michael. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:18.000 Yeah, yeah, I think next time I definitely would frame it. 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.000 For the concentric circles of sharing I would just ask. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.000 So, Michael, like i'm glad that you asked the question during the meeting. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:34.000 It was my answer. clear enough. or do you still have other questions? 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:41.000 Like. Did that like if you didn't ask that question it might not have been clear to other people. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:54.000 So i'm curious if my answer was clear enough and like gave you the answer you were looking for, or it was interesting. It was an interesting, I remember the answer just in that. you. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:07.000 I I felt like it was sort of It was sort of fuzzing out the border of catalyst, just because you said, you know, and I I get it. 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.000 You said. Anybody who has this Url will be able to see it. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:18.000 Which sort of made it the case that okay, somebody could take this Url and distribute it. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:25.000 And people who weren't on catalyst would see it which made that public bigger 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:35.000 And it was it it you know it's it's still a a bit of a conceptual challenge. 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:47.000 You know just how. Yeah, what kind of what kind of needs one exposes, and what kind of services one offers? 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.000 You know it's it's still had that sort of how public is this! 00:16:50.000 --> 00:17:01.000 How comfortable am I and what what's called for and you know how generous can I be, how how vulnerable can I be? 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:16.000 Those things, you know, I I felt just a i'm less familiar with with all those things, but I I felt like it was still a little unclear and and events, and I think your answer was relatively simple. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:28.000 I think maybe from a tech standpoint it's simple but I think from a user experience like it's a little hard to conceptualize those things, you know, because it's like cause I think Okay, i'm gonna click public on 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:34.000 catalysts, like Michael saying, is different than like i'm posting this on Craig's list, even though they're both public. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:40.000 Sorry, so I think we can maybe did differentiate it out just a little bit more. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:46.000 Let's go to peak 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.000 Thanks and switched headsets. I forgot to charge my other ones. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:56.000 These might not noise council as well so apologize if there's invites in the backup right now. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:04.000 I wanna make an observation of a a non judgmental observation. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:20.000 That we didn't I I feel like we didn't have a it's essentially a project plan what it what I call the everything is a project plan kind of plan for the needs and offers 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:36.000 session. So now we're kind of in a weird place where we're trying to judge the successor or not of the the session without any criteria, that we set up before. and right so so I think most of you probably 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:55.000 know my my everything is a project thing but so a couple of things. One of them is I would be super super cool if we all collectively, we're able to set up you know here's the the goals and the approach 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:00.000 for this thing and then we run the thing, and then we retro it. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:07.000 Partly especially for this crew, partly just to help other people learn how to do it. 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:33.000 So I I feel like. So my so my thought about it is feel like if what we wanted to do was introduce needs and offers markets places to people and run through a little practice and break the ice especially to like you know 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:44.000 Okay, i'm going to post my first one and my first 2, and you know I'm, i'm gonna survive, and if it's not perfect, it's gonna be okay. I think we did that pretty well, I I wish 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:50.000 that we had had more time and we didn't which is fine. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.000 I wish we had set up what it needs and offers. 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:58.000 Marketplace is more. I I think we could have had a whole session just on that to kind of 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:03.000 Hopefully, with maybe a few more people. I guess you know what is a need. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.000 What is an offer? Why do we even want a marketplace? 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:10.000 You know what you know. What are we going to do with this thing once we build it. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:22.000 That's kind of stuff all that stuff we We kind of like skipped past, and that was the the the, you know. Wish that I had for this this session, but overall, I think it was really successful. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.000 I felt like I was like, Okay, I got dragged through making an offer. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:35.000 You know that I wasn't expecting to at the beginning and you know I I survived It was it was great wonderful 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:40.000 We got to, maybe another goal, for it was to stress, test the infrastructure. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.000 And, like you said during the session, Jordan, This is great, good job, Vincent. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:52.000 We you know we we ground through it and we ground until it broke and you know that's beautiful, and wonderful that's not a bad thing. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:21:01.000 If we had a different goal a different goal might have been to populate the needs and offers database. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:07.000 With, you know, 3 or 4 or 10 different offers of needs from each person. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.000 I think it was mostly a failure right because we didn't get through very much. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:21.000 We didn't really get to do needs very well you know yada, yada! Maybe we didn't even have enough people in the room. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:33.000 So I think I think if we judge it against that criteria which is another, we need to get to that criteria at some point in our in our maturity. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:40.000 Hopefully soon. I think I think we kind of failed but I think that's the wrong criteria. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:48.000 So. So a question, maybe, for this team on this meeting is maybe we can I don't. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:54.000 I don't think we should go through. developing whole project plan right now, but maybe we can start to like sketch that out. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.000 You know. What are we trying to accomplish what's our timeframe? 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:03.000 How important it is, is it to just get people started? 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:09.000 How important is it to get it populated? How important is it to get it used? 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:19.000 And you know, How do we set those sets set each of those needs up with an approach that we think is going to be successful. So that might be something we could kind of do today. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:34.000 And and I think we should do more of that before we do kind of more mind blind execution into trying to get something done without understanding what it is that we're trying to get done. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:44.000 So, Pete, as you're saying that alarm bells are going off for like full planning this week right cause we we did a little intro a few weeks back. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.000 That some people were there or not, and there'll be people who work there time. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:23:12.000 So this will help inform that 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:28.000 Jonathan Jordan. is it okay? If I make reference to some of what we discussed in our direct message channel, and you are always welcome to discuss anything. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:41.000 So, after posting my needs, Jordan said, Hey, you know, if you wanted, I can give you what I think are the next steps to follow. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:48.000 If for you to be proactive about getting your needs met. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:58.000 And after that I reached out to Bill, and he walked me through what he thought was a good project. 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:05.000 Proposal template. would open my eyes a lot. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:12.000 And then I posted that into the wiki, and then what the heck did. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:22.000 Some project proposals. and to me. That was a partial answer to Gee! 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:31.000 What do we do next? So I offer that one of the things just to build on that. 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:35.000 So one of the things that Jonathan, are you? okay? 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.000 If I candidly discussed some of the things that were in there. 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Messages So one of the the things that I think Mike Michael brought up is in there we have. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:25:00.000 We had everything from you know, Jonathan making a direct request for you know a job or a you know, specific funding, or a ask all the way up to more community based you know. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.000 Things. So one of the things I was reflecting with on Jonathan was 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:20.000 Okay, So let's let's say jonathan has a need for paid work programming related to these areas of expertise and blah blah, and and he would like a job. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:27.000 I think. I was pondering how we could recontextualize those things in a way that might get more support. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:37.000 So it's one thing. if Jonathan says okay, I have a need for paid coding where vine apple products the deck right, it's another thing. 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:50.000 If if Jonathan signals to the great light I think there's some of us who have who would like paid coding work, things that the community finds meaningful on these platforms that we think we might want to use 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:58.000 Yeah, it would be great if we could set up some kind of a system that would help me and others find that whatever. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:08.000 So I was reflecting what, Jonathan, that a lot of times when these individual needs come up, if you can abstract them out a step and then create a solution that benefits you and 10 of your friends that are in the same 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:13.000 boat they might get a lot more likely to act upon because I was. 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.000 I was. Just imagine kind of Jonathan sitting there 30 days later, Going? 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Well, nobody gave me a job. No, but none of the 7 people get me a job coding it's like, No. Okay, how do? 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.000 How do we take those needs? abstract them into something? 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:39.000 The group might be able to help with or and so so I was trying to sort out some of those different levels as well, and and that was very useful, and I changed. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Oh, I framed my need in my online and Bills suggestions regarding a template. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:58.000 Give me a process of articulating the benefit to the All. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:08.000 Yeah, we go about investigating my need fits into that bigger need. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:16.000 Yeah, that's how I frame my proposals and I I dropped the one for meeting work. 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:21.000 Yeah. and then and then, Jonathan. and just this is a twenty-second comment that we should get back to the retro. 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:30.000 But you can then expect those to like if you do a project proposal, and it's not acted on immediately by the group, just because you do a proposal doesn't mean it's the top priority this week. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.000 For everybody in the group. right? so you can expect, like you see, a need. 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:39.000 It turns into maybe something that can solve problems for multiple members of the community. 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:50.000 Right, then you need to expect that to get kind of stacked and queued up against all the things we could spend time on this week, and then we need to go through kind of a discernment process to go Okay, in light of 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:59.000 all these needs? What are the ones that are shared by the most people that we should act on right in order of importance, and then you could expect it over a matter of quarters. 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.000 You know things will get subsequently addressed and developed. 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:07.000 So I think the maturity of that whole process. And so, Pete, I think that goes back to this. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:15.000 Everything is a project approach. it's like need maybe expressed as a user story, right like if we were to use the little Pm. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:20.000 Backbone that you and I spent a couple of hours on like a a user. 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:40.000 A A community member has this problem and would like this outcome in a mobile bond, and then that could start to inform everything as a project lion that gets queued up and maybe eventually executed on 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:46.000 So that's an so like needs expressed as stories you know. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:55.000 Reconciled and prioritized 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:09.000 Okay, So let's go should we roll back to the next feedback in the chat 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:24.000 Sure I could screen share again. See? 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:44.000 See. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:54.000 Okay, I think we were 00:29:54.000 --> 00:30:04.000 Does that remember the last question we were at I don't know why I can't find it let's see 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:13.000 We did 2 D. and then just a few more right 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:20.000 Yeah, it just seems like there's something missing here 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:26.000 Okay. So 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.000 Yeah, I think it's where we are 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:35.000 So, Jordan, do you think we should have a working group dedicated to needs and offers? 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:48.000 You said i'd like to see a working group tweet them, and a little, and merge into the onboarding process What I meant by that was this gets back to like if there's more of a 00:30:48.000 --> 00:31:03.000 steady state marketplace that's being enriched over time, and if we imagine that we're going to from 7 us of us to thousands of us getting on board, I was suggesting that if we get really good at maybe 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:11.000 the questions and the asynchronous side of this and as people step into the community. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000 There'd be a way to like build up through the onboarding process. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:20.000 Maybe this relates to what Pete was talking about. Michael is talking about these layers of context and framework. 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:27.000 Then eventually result, and then being able to feed into the need and and offers marketplace. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:34.000 But that might be after so So, just to quickly tie it ties out to like the onboarding conversation. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:43.000 That might be that like after after 4, after 4 or 5 min videos, that kind of create the context in your onboarding process, right? 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:56.000 You have the option, If you want to play in the needs and and offers marketplace to watch and reflect on 2 or 3 videos, that kind of outline, what those things are, and why and how they function, and whatever and then and then you're 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:07.000 invited to you know, post into the needs and offers marketplace, And so you've built up like you know It's it's taking you a little investment of time to get on boarded little orientation to what that 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:17.000 is. and then you go on, and there, there's that kind of kind of curriculum based learning is in the can be built into the open impact. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:29.000 Platform, for instance, so we could set up, you know, a series of little modules, and when you get to the third one, then you get an assignment, or whatever, so we might be able to facilitate some of that so anyway, that was 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:43.000 all just to say that seemed approximately right i'm not sure if, and and I think we should tie the process somehow, how asynchronously into how people get on boarded and matt, or they or that so high. 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:51.000 hypothesis 00:32:51.000 --> 00:33:01.000 Jordan, that it it provokes the question to me of that I think maybe put the finer point on some stuff that we're already talking about. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:17.000 The needs the offers the needs marketplace being an integral part, I mean, i'm thinking about what thousands of us, and imagining it, as you know, it's not quite a workplace. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:37.000 But it's like we're we're endeavoring to do something together, and is our offers and needs marketplace trying to be both office bulletin board where we're talking about you know I i've 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:54.000 got a you know. i've got a surfboard to sell I've got, you know. you know, we're having a a street party, you know all all the different things that apply to people in the workplace and are open to others but not really having to do 00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:04.000 with the work versus We are putting our offers in needs. out here for the projects that are in service of our higher goal. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:10.000 And let's let's not let's not sell surf boards here, and and maybe it's both. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:18.000 But I mean, I think that's part of the the lack of clarity, hey? 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:27.000 Guts. very correct lack of clarity and that's good differentiation arising from that. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:38.000 So to repeat that back there's these different levels there's there's a community of people trying to do things together, and there's a natural desire to say, Hey, i've got a place to stay or does anybody want to serve forward 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.000 or i'm posting a native American fluid class on Block. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:53.000 Right. So those are the things you'd find like on a on a lunch room bulletin board, or on a Starbucks bulletin board like those kind of things. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Then There's Then there's offers I think among the that are like work related, offers among the community of projects moving in service. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:10.000 The goal like I'm vincent made an offer to mentor and a certain type of tooling somebody's moving in service to the goal. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.000 Let's say so that's a great offer that's kind of open. 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:22.000 Then we had somebody like Judy go Okay, i'm i'm willing to help in these kind of areas. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:32.000 But I I don't I can't get flooded out with requests from like small projects to work on project proposals, because I should probably be working on the higher levels of abstraction. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:38.000 So I'm willing to work on project plans but that kind of the Meta project level. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:45.000 Let's say, and so that's a different than let's say, Vincent's offer on on cut it. 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.000 So. so I think those are like at least 3 levels of differentiated exchange that are important, and that we didn't really t up. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:36:09.000 And even the example of vincent's offer which you know sounded oh, like I I can how like learning more about no code, you know, would would help me in doing some project that isn't Meta project related so i'm 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:20.000 interested in that you know, for for the things that are being offered for there to be an understood parenthetical. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:38.000 That's like duties of, like, i'm not our from this to everybody, for anything i'm offering this as part of our collective mission, you know, and and if my skills can benefit your piece of our collective mission and 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:46.000 Vincent as i'm trying to listen to this from your perspective I think there's that like 2 to whom is the offer made? 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:56.000 Type thing that it's an opportunity to to differentiate that. But I think this goes back to all of us being new and not really understanding that, and I and I think it it takes some like that. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.000 It wasn't obvious to me and I think it tell you experience and go through with it. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.000 You haven't dealt with those different abstractions you know. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:14.000 So yeah, I mean part of it is you know this is kind of one of the first times running this where we're trying to kill 2. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:27.000 Well, maybe we're trying to feed 2 birds with one scone. So right, using the event itself to also feed the community more broadly, with like the offers and needs that we're at the event. 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:32.000 For people who missed it. So there is definitely more clarification. 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:38.000 There needed. This is this process is done within large companies. 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.000 So like. I was touching on briefly in Ford. 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:59.000 My good friend Dominic was telling me about the process. that they do at the like executive level for across departments, figuring out what are the different needs and how they can be met. 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:10.000 There's 2 things that are done that we didn't really do. So one is There's some shared understanding by everyone of like what are the goals of like right? 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:21.000 We all know what the goals of the company are, and so when somebody shares a need, then the Second level is having the discernment. 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:27.000 So the people who are in those meetings have the discernment to say you that's not the need you you? 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:34.000 That's not the right need or like you actually need this and so be cool to have the end. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:44.000 Goal. And then, when people say this is what I need have a good enough understanding of being able to say, actually, what you really need might be this: you're asking for the wrong thing. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:39:00.000 And yeah, that's something that as there is more understanding of the goal or Meta project, and that and it's more clear what the different working groups are, and what is actually needed by the organization as a whole, then you can also have 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.000 people that are taking these knees and offers and aligning them. 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:11.000 And you know, being a little bit more critical about whether or not it's the right thing. 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:16.000 Yeah, we just just to validate that like in the CEO advisory groups. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:23.000 I've been been a part of that's a really key thing as someone will present an issue, and and a lot lot lot of the time. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:36.000 If you have 20 sharp people, in the room, the issue will end up being clarified in a pretty different way, and and I guess that's a little bit of maybe what Jonathan and I model that's like you can go 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:44.000 from they, presenting symptom to deeper root causes, and come to a much more comprehensive solution. 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:51.000 So that that seems like an important point. And and Benson, then I think I think this place to what you were saying to Michael like. 00:39:51.000 --> 00:40:07.000 Really, if we strongly can textualize within our overarching shared goals, why we're doing this right, then it forces every kind of need and offer to be heard in the context of what we're trying to accomplish 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:23.000 together. And then, if there's that that ability to kind of shape, So 1 one interesting thought. so, Vincent, you were saying that happens at the team level, basically, or the department level, let's say, instead of at the end individual level, So one 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.000 of the things cost departments typically I mean it could also happen within a team as well. 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:35.000 Yeah, Yeah. So it's it's a fractal But I think that the example you gave was where internal teams are kind of discussing what their needs are. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:42.000 Then they're presenting those out across teams right right So So at that level of analysis you're getting a different thing. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:46.000 Right, You're getting someone who's expressed the need to a team. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Then the teams crosses that enough that they're then presenting it out across teams for so so that's Another just interesting thing is, I guess it relates to we were going back. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.000 To. Maybe we don't make and keep commitments at the individual level. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:09.000 We try to get individuals into small groups or teams and then and that's the level that we operate at a little bit more. 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:23.000 So. I wonder if some of that would help sort it out like trying to figure out I don't know Yes, and 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:43.000 Okay, we got we've got maybe 12 min here I guess 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:49.000 Okay, so Jonathan said, transformed to see our needs and offers for reels. 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:54.000 Bill said. I thought the breakout conversations worked well. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:09.000 I thought the last section expressing was very practical, and point to some possibly valuable conversations to take place soon. 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:29.000 The next question was, Was there anything you found transformative, and could have been done better If we run this again, Judy said, smaller, discrete half aspects for easier response and collation 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.000 Pizza. I think we skipped over, grounding in some sort of history of offering these throughout human history, and how? 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:51.000 Why we might want it offers a needs market for our community 00:42:51.000 --> 00:43:00.000 I mentioned allowing people to submit things beforehand, and be able to spend more time in person discussing and clarifying. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:08.000 So if you have the reflection, time of writing down your offer, then you can use that time to for people to be like. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:15.000 Is that actually the right need or the right offer? Johnson said. 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.000 The kind of need slash offers needs tweaking. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:27.000 Most people show service. So yeah, that was specifically in the fields. 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:43.000 Better communication about onboarding to the event. page. If you use again, it seems to me that expressing needs first provoked a very different and empathetic response maybe need should go first 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:49.000 I'll stop there there's 2 more but does anyone want to saw some things in the chat. 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.000 I could keep sharing this since I went through a few of them. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:44:05.000 Do they want to comment, and any of the things that we're just mentioned. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:23.000 I think it's an interesting idea to set up a workflow in which maybe there's some asynchronous videos that lead, or something that we need to well expressed offers and needs and then using the time together 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:38.000 to. So I think that's what you were saying then sent to facilitate some kind of a process that to understanding an expression in advance, and then uses the time together to kind of like that and centerize and clarify 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:46.000 that feels like that could be that could be really useful in in companies a lot of times. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:58.000 If a offer needs gonna be presented to like processing permission to requires some work ahead of time, you know, to kind of fill out the form properly contextualize the issue and make sure. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:05.000 So it's really really efficient uptake for the group instead of people kind of processing live in group settings. 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:10.000 That's an interesting idea 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:19.000 I also wonder, as a look at the the notion of thinking about things beforehand, and submitting things beforehand. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:30.000 And I think back a little bit to one early tapestry grid where, you know, we were sort of saying, Well, these are things. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:44.000 It was. It was very, very broadly defined in the sense that okay, here are some things that i'm good at 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:59.000 That That's the piece of the tapestry form I remember, but but also thinking about like how one experiences a a job hunt, for instance, and looking at a a site where or you know. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:16.000 Look on linkedin and seeing. Okay, this is who somebody is and what they offer that doesn't specifically mean that that what they describe is exactly the only thing that they could do. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:37.000 And if you can, if you can, more generally both describe your skills and your needs, it may be that you're willing to volunteer some, and you're willing to be paid, do some stuff for money, and you're willing to do some stuff 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:49.000 for Bart, or and it you know if somebody wants to work with you on X, and wants to do it for barter, and they've got something you want that's cool. 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.000 But it doesn't mean you're only willing to work on X. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:47:07.000 For barter, and and if you do that thing for barter they you wouldn't you know it's it they're all they all get mixed up at times i'm i'm not presenting answer right 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:19.000 there. But I do think that the doing something in advance where you kind of generally flesh out what you've got to offer, and what you need it. 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:29.000 It's This might be a little helpful compared to like, Okay, here is a block of a thing that I am willing to do. 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:40.000 And response to it. This is really interesting. doing something in advance to kind of flush out, you know. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:48:00.000 Kind of who you are. and what you're passionate about and what you'd like to be doing, You know almost in what percentage is, and what you need. 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:08.000 That's really interesting. Michael, the the thing that that's making me think of is that people have no idea what they like really. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:14.000 And and so I think there's like if you're forming a team. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.000 You're like, Okay, Michael, what's your best role in the team. 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:27.000 It's like well I don't know and it depends on everybody else in the room, and what we all like doing, and whatever, and so it's almost like, I I guess what what I think you're presenting is that if there's a process 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:42.000 that kind of gets to know each person we can kind of help each other, find out how we fit, and where and how that meets the total set of volunteering, and 8 h that come together to create and and maybe that's super unfair to 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:56.000 expect that someone would be able to articulate that for themselves right So i'm almost thinking, jonathan you you advocated, for you know when someone's coming in kind of this. I don't know what 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:08.000 It's called but a Mentor guardian role. that kinda I a a greeter Yeah. then a mentor guardian who kind of Yep. 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:15.000 If it box you do a process so getting to know you, introducing you to different circles, you might play in like finding out what you want. 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.000 Someone someone might want full time paid work, and someone might want 40 h. 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.000 A paid work, and would love to spend 15 h on coding a game. 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:26.000 They're passionate about this you know as part of the team and someone else. 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.000 They just wanna volunteer for an hour a week, you know. 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:35.000 So I think the way to help out who people are, What they want to do and plug them in is is really critical. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:41.000 The the other type of persona that that makes me think of is like I bet between us. 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:49.000 At least I know I have a decent network of people who would like for sure take a 15 or 30 min action if I ask them to. 00:49:49.000 --> 00:50:04.000 Right. Well, we'll not engage to try to figure out what to do. so that's like a whole other persona right where there's almost like a push like a I was in a board meeting the other day for a different organization and one. 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:16.000 Of the board members, said, Man, I just wish we always had a constant stream of just knowing what's needed next for the organization advancing, and like just constantly getting fed information so that we in our network know what's needed to get through 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:39.000 the next roadmap. So that's an interesting side of this to So maybe there's something about defining the different types of personas even that play 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.000 It has been suggested that we should have a questionnaire. 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:57.000 That is a resource that the people you just talked about could A. 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:04.000 In the process of onboarding new people and discovering what their skills and passions are. 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:11.000 That questionnaire kind of got bogged down and then died. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:18.000 I would love to see it provide 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:35.000 Could revive under your leadership, Jonathan. I accepted 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:47.000 Okay, so just got a minute here. I think I think this was really useful, because I so I think we got less of like a super tangible next step than we could have, and probably a much deeper understanding of the process 00:51:47.000 --> 00:52:01.000 So I feel like this is this is leading us to. I feel like our experiment to Orient like. So I think if we take Pete suggestion that we look at that as an experiment to kind of like practice and run a game, and feel what it was 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:08.000 like that feels like it led us to have a much more differentiated understanding of all this. 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:18.000 That could probably then lead us into a next step, being kind of like a process or project type plan of how we advance this. 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:30.000 So I That would be kind of my suggestion on where where we want to go next is that maybe we maybe I communicate out to the group like, Okay, that was an amazing experiment. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:41.000 And here's some of the things we learned and based on that what we're gonna do is come up with a problem Good plan for how we're gonna contextualize and set up these markets a little better and advance that 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:48.000 over the coming week Something like that. how How does that hypothesis sound? 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.000 And is there any other key actions we should take this week? 00:52:51.000 --> 00:53:00.000 Come to the end of this 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:13.000 Yeah. then said, yes, that sounds good. and i'd like to set up a 1 h meeting that to go basically a co-working meeting. 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:17.000 This is something that I would do I could do on my own. 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:30.000 But instead, I'd rather just say hey, i'll be working on this at this time, and if anyone wants to join basically could go through Hi, Judy time. 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.000 Sorry I came in late. I had another meeting run over no problem. 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:40.000 Much at this point, but yeah we're we're 1 min over. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.000 So, Vincent, just making closing comment here and then we've Got it recorded. 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.000 I I could hang on for a few more minutes with you. 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:56.000 Gd. So maybe i'll wrap up and then pass it to you in case you had any reflections, and that you want to share with the group. 00:53:56.000 --> 00:54:12.000 Live. Okay, I would just saying i'd like to spend about an hour to go through the needs and offers that weren't captured and synthesize and curate those i've started already. 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:18.000 And then basically figure out the right way to export that information. 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:25.000 So it can be sent out in a newsletter, and shared with the broader community. 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:36.000 So basically, those seem like the next action steps. And so if anyone here would like to be invited to that meeting, try Okay. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:44.000 Cool let me know send it out i'll post in matter most as well. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:52.000 I came in on my phone for convenience so Vincent before that. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:59.000 What's what's ping and just I think I got one or 2 emails from people that didn't have your email address. 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.000 So just make sure I get those forwarded to you before that. 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:11.000 Before that meeting. And then so so Judy just to kind of so to sum this up, basically, we're going in we're going in 2 directions. 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:27.000 One is vincent's gonna set up a working meeting to go through the needs and offers that weren't captured anything that came in from email and then figure out how to export and share that so that'll maybe bring some little 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:42.000 notes connection from the experiment we did. and then Judy We were also realizing the need to kind of contextualize the process and project plan a little bit better on rolled out marketplaces. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:46.000 And why and kind of reorient, and evolved that over time. 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:58.000 So maybe in that. so we'll go towards kind of a longer term strategic plan that leads to how we do this and get better at it over time, and it will make use of what we already captured with a working session 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:05.000 and communication from then since does that sound good? Yeah, that sounds good. 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:11.000 Okay, you alright, Well, thank you guys so much. This was this was insightful for me. 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:20.000 That was really helpful to kind of differentiate out these levels, and I hadn't thought through them like this, and probably couldn't have, without experience experiencing it. 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:26.000 So Thanks, Vincent, for hosting, and thank you, everybody, for working to sort this out. 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:32.000 Things valuable awesome. Well, thanks guys, appreciate it we'll see you guys soon. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.000 Alright. great thanks for it.