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Jason. welcome. Nice to see you, good sir. Nice to see you.

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Not all of you because you have sunglasses on It's kinda It's like super bright out here.

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It's foggy right now. and I was really struggling to to see so nice to meet you guys alright beautiful.

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Let's see so Judy is there marianne is not doing well.

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I'm just looking around the room. kilo has 2 able to join here.

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Michael welcome for us we can't see if you'd like your camera on.

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But no no pressure there. you are wonderful to see. A good Sir alright beautiful.

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Well, thanks for thanks for being here. what a eventful last couple of weeks.

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It's been amazing amazing times, in was really looking forward to getting to our meeting today, and kind of i'm really enjoying these 6 week cycles, cause it's feeling like Miss Judy bent them was

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approximately correct in her prediction that these 6 weeks cycles would be about the right period for maturing and kind of iterating.

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So. it's really interesting what happened in the cycle. kind of at a few weeks getting started. and then if you very strange weeks in the last few weeks that opened up a lot of possibility.

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So just looking forward to kind of doing our retro today.

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My invitation of if some or all of you are willing would be next week.

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When we start we're both starting our yes, it might be our good 6 weeks cycle, and we're all just starting a new court and as we ran.

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Professional organizations. we would do quarterly meetings where we would sync up on kind of the long term milestone and the pull plant milestones, the poll planning, and then really dial in on the kind of 3

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one and 3 month, 3 year, one year, and 3 month plan.

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So I was thinking next week we might do kind of a light version of that kind of a quarterly meeting your app for it, so that we have a really clear shared vision going into fourth quarter, and then to next year so

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I I may, and a few of us, or whoever would like to join on just a slightly extended meeting next week.

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Start quarter and for today, just really looking forward to debriefing on

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This last cycle and getting some updates and catching up and navigating into this.

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So i'd love to create a lot of space for us to just try to process together.

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We haven't caught up in a few weeks so I feel like Klu and I should probably share short updates, and then i'd love to just go around the room and kind of get perspective and alignment.

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From everybody on your view from your mask, and then spend the the end of that kind of integrating and getting ready for our our quarterly meeting.

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There. so does that sound like a acceptable agenda for today?

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Any significant objections, anything that anybody else would like on the agenda.

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Okay, beautiful. I'm Klu some of these people have heard, and some of these people have not heard about our time in Estonia.

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For anybody that has not would you be willing to give a few minute update on our our time there from your perspective and kind of what's followed after that, and just kind of start off the rounds little perspective, sure and i'm hoping

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that i'll keep my notes really short and then you can wrap in in the way that you can, and I can't also the week that follows, or i'm sure that there was some kind of you know maybe overlap.

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and synergy with your experience in New York as well.

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Does that work cause I think it's more useful or valuable.

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If you yeah, absolutely yeah, we'll go there the next yeah So when you talk a little bit about Estonia and any follow-ups you've had, and what's kind of started from that, and then all we've in New York and then

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we'll go to some grounds to get her video voices into the room.

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Okay, so So the whole Estonia trip came up.

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Kind of suddenly, and really almost as a fluke, because it was an invitation for somebody else for grand void to come and meet with me for a day who lives in Europe.

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But then he asked, Are there other people to meet with? And I said, Well, actually, there are.

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There are people who are interested in what You're doing. and started thinking about it more and very quickly, as Graham and I were talking about it became clear that it really makes sense for Jordan.

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If he were to say yes, and I reached out, and he said yes to join.

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And then from there, even without much effort, I think in Pop.

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This idea, this notion, this organic sentiment that one of the reasons why stone is interesting is that it's a small country.

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At 1.3 million people that is very tightly connected to and it's very easy to find people across different institutions and organizations and spaces and fairs of life.

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It's very interesting to connect them and to reach out to them, and it's also, therefore, potentially very interesting place, where maybe easily one could build the kinds of ecosystems of diverse but aligned groups and

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efforts. And so that was kind of the perhaps the the idea that we were semi-formed idea that we walked in with and ended up having meetings and presentations.

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There was a presentation at the main polytechnical University that's got the 800 views now. somehow.

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They had 60 people in the audience and and 50 online, and the views keep going up and where we talked about future capital.

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But where Graham spoke about his form of building these tightly aligned multi-stakeholder.

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Multi-capital ecosystems where Jordan spoke about the vision.

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That that perhaps we can all resonate with i'm not gonna repeat that and more.

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And then there was a conversation in the room and similar meeting similar conversations repeated with a member of Parliament with a former minister who is. We had 5 h dinner with, and it's interested in doing something on different levels along those

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lines we met with a a notable set of folks with a Pre yoga master, who is very who's recently published a book about emotional releasing emotional addiction.

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But really it's a consciousness technique to become more clear, and has become more clear.

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It becomes easier to collaborate. So part of the conversations were also that people collaborating with each other better across all kinds of you know, Silas and organizations and ecosystems.

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So on one hand, there's a talk about systems and perhaps doing a national pilot on the level of maybe an organization, maybe community, maybe nation state of these sort of tightly interconnected, collaborative ecosystems that are also

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highly aligned, and have the business component where the business fits.

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And on the other hand, the conversation about what is the and interpersonal thing that needs to happen for people to collaborate and work well together and get over all kinds of problems that seem to naturally arise. in those contexts so maybe that's where i'll hand

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it up over to you, Jordan you know i'm sure I left a fine shout.

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Maybe you can color in and I could you share a little too.

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Even we haven't had that much time to reign so just What's kind of been rising since we've returned.

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I know you and Forest have done some processing together, and you've been having some follow up conversations with people.

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So what what parts have seem to remain alive and and definitely the and actually I'd like to ask Forest to chime in as well?

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What has what has, what we had a conversation our third conversation, each of them I'm afraid over 2 h, because it just gets to be too fun, and we don't look at the clock of mapping mapping the

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landscape, Mac mapping the potentialities as well as mapping across the networks of who might be and what might be useful.

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Endeavors and initiatives to engage in in let's say let's call it the Estonia initiative on one hand, building a pilot that could be used for the world, both up and down in the developed

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world as well as the developing countries, but kind of in a modular way, figuring something out and doing it as well as to sort of what seems to be there, and organically arising and so This mapping.

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Looks very much like it's we use mural rather than mirrorboard.

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They're pretty similar. it's a bunch of stickies you know, ordered by themes.

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But the process of getting those themes and getting the sticky to show up, and the conversation has been absolutely joyful and delightful.

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So that's one i've been also speaking with Graham, and kind of considering what might be the next steps.

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And then published a couple of articles in estonia and press, and these were, You know, that's part of the business of going there.

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I have to commit to doing those. But I have tried to also gently push this view of the world, as well as the importance of doing things.

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This way, as well as the personal aspect, because that's less spoken about the collaboration.

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And you know people managing themselves, and then I know that there are people waiting for us for next steps, and those include you know, a stone in business school folks, and they're considering on their own as well as the trend setting or

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trend analysis, does trans analysis for the parliament that puts up the reports of different themes of Estonia between now and 2035.

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They're interested in doing something. and then the Jordan and Grandman there is continued interest.

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Those between the Ai and robotic system and collaborative, which is one of the European Union.

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Digital, you know, initiatives. were this methodology could also be used.

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So there's a number of things up, but for me it actually feels like kind of a let down, cause the energy was so magical, and there was so much happening.

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That's I miss that like no it's sort of, you know, like my usual life is actually fine, and it was wonderful before.

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But I missed that amazing energy, and the magic and how everything kept falling in place, and i'll stay one last thing, and I I may have done a little overboard, at least in the conventional view of the world but I

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felt that it was very important. and I was it is also my ancestral country, and I believe in a very present and highly conscious way of engaging with the present moment wherever you're at, if you can where you can you know I I can

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get not out of shape, and then I can't but when I can doing that leads to even more of what feels like miraculous and highly aligned.

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And so I engaged in that way of being particularly in Estonia.

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A lot, and it's when one does that then I know Wendy Alfred, do you?

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And I. We have spoken about that sort of thing, you know. More happens.

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More seems to come because we're also conscious of it and now, I'm, emboldened to speak and bring this more into our daily work.

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You know in my life as well as potentially here because it's a concrete practical way of being it is not conducive to finding car keys in your purse or driving. well, or you know practical things if

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you'll lean too far into the being present because practical things, at least for me, get hard.

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But this was something else that got practiced. there that I think is it's not just abstract. it's not just the meditative practice.

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It just sit alone. and but it's a practice that you can walk in groups with people in engagement, in conversation, in dialogue, and in fact, in dialogue with life with that was a big big deal for me in

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Estonia I missed some of that here as well because I don't have as much cost to engage in in in this meaningful way, and whoever it's happy to talk more but it's

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it's real and it's a it's a way of being that is richer, that leads to more productive in some ways faster shortcutty results and solutions to those problems that are already looking for solutions like it literally

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falls in your laps if you are that way. Yeah.

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The yeah, was so evident there I think it's it's great getting outside of our typical bubbles, and, for instance, let's say for me especially to be on my first trip.

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Kind of on from our soviet soil and things that I don't understand, and history that I don't understand.

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And if anybody wants to watch an amazing documentary that's right relevant to our times, key, loop me watch the singing revolution, which was very inspiring and I watched it on the way over there, But it's kind of the

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amazing story about how Estonia held it's hard and spirit through the subsequent rounds of occupation, and early 19 hundreds and World War 2 and you know, kind of the Us.

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And they do betrayal post world war 2 remaining over under Soviet rule, and then being able to sing their way back into freedom.

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And so it's really inspiring and it's like there's just on what you were saying kelly.

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It's like there's no way that there's No way that we could know what's there, especially when we cross those cultural barriers unless we're so present to each other.

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Right in both ways, and then allowing that to emerge.

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And so as we tried to do a good job without it it's it's really imagine. okay, beautiful thanksgiving.

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I appreciate that forest before I talk a little bit update on New York.

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Is there any thing you would like to add in from your conversations and digesting with Kilo?

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I'm sure a little bit and just what an amazing delight.

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And it was really prompted by my kind of understanding is, many of us have a lot of very significant relationships that might come to bear with trying to move forward an initial project.

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And then, also recognizing, we have to find right timing for that.

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So the kind of brainstorming that Kelu and I did, and the mapping and things like this is something that taken advantage of the moment.

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That, indeed, you you know you went over the connections or there There's kind of a whiteness potential.

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Then changes over time, and so, if there's a way of being able to engage it earlier than later.

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Then that's really where we're trying to put some attention to turn around and say, Okay, what is that low hanging fruit that you can turn around and open up a excitement door like making connections with the folks.

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That are actually on the ground doing something going success exactly what they're doing.

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But it applies to Estonia and to the folks over there, and things like that, because ultimately it takes a team from over there to want to embrace whatever this opening is.

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And so now that starts this dance the other side for me is I didn't know much about Estonia, so it prompted me to kind of dig in and learn about Estonia, and what an extraordinary country very unique in

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terms of where it is and very operate, placed in the right place of having been in the early adopter in digital to recognizing that the world is really grown up and they don't feel like such an early adopter anymore

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potentially been falling behind because of the lack of resources and size.

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And yet opportunities that we see to move again. out there, so that's a little bit there's plenty.

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But certainly that's one of the things keelo and I are looking at is wanting to extend the group, and continue a bit to try to find what's a good path and with your guidance and thoughts

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Jordan: Yeah. beautiful Okay. amazing. okay, i'll give it quick.

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Overview of from my vantage point.

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Update on on New York, and just kind of maybe tying a couple of those threads.

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So quickly picking up on Estonia because a few people the call I've already already heard some of this, but

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It was magical, it was live and so amazing, so encouraging.

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It felt like we had a again these 6 week Cycles are so interesting to watch.

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But After a couple of formative cycles it we were reflecting that it felt like there was a little mole and the energy, and then, all of a sudden, it just like exploded.

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The last couple of weeks with all these new relationships and opportunities.

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And so I think I mean just to validate everybody on the call, like the the work that we're doing together is really important to needed.

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And and it's so amazing to be able to travel and to discover reciprocity and relationship and everything that we can learn and grow from, and everything that we might be able to offer, and and help, with too, so

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maybe a couple of things that that surprised me were the absolute openness and receptivity and immediate connection to what we were talking about.

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Coordination and collaboration and ecosystem funding and new ways of creating, you know, community and legal and guys and different prototypes and different funding mechanisms, and how to create all the

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sustained energy towards let's say estonia's, 2035 transformation.

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That they're working on I think they call that the green transformation, or the green transition.

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So we got to meet with 4 site. center that's working with Parliament on kind of the strategic planning across all the different buckets of what that looks like.

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Between now and 2035, and it was just remarkable on so many levels.

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Keyle inventions, you know, prototypes that could be replicated.

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I was thinking about the amount of research and funding that have gone into all these different development systems from what ability to energy to elder care. to you know unity and mindset change and all these different things.

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That's that's not getting shared right because It's the Estonia 2035 green transition.

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I was looking at it, just going down. This would this would take years and years and years to replicate.

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And what a powerful opportunity if we can start cross, pollinating all these! Not all the knowledge that all these different groups and countries, and think tanks and everybody are doing so.

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It was just another example of, how much work's been done and maybe hely deposited the question what if we're further along than we think we are, and I kept thinking that when we're there might be, further along the way I think we are, if

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we can just get everything connected up. Another really key thing that That kind of surprised me and came up was

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There's an incredible opportunity there. in particular I think would be artificial intelligence and robotic institute.

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There's going to be 200 or so of these advanced technology kind of innovation centers.

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Let's say funded by the European Union and something truly extraordinarily happened with the one in Estonia, because they were getting started as one of the earliest ones.

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Covid hit, so that you funding was delayed.

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But the Estonian Government went ahead and funded that first year, and so, as it turns out, they're kind of out ahead of the proliferation of the rest of those 200.

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Just with I think fairly incredible positioning because of the inherent Estonian spirit and culture that's there, you know as well as their jump start on the rest of the Eu. So that was really interesting.

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And then tying those into into New York last week.

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New York was extraordinary. It was another it was another magical week.

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Just absolutely back to back to back to back, you know.

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Wonderful connections Amazing aligned people! more allies and great people out there moving than I could have imagined.

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So again, just so encouraging and so many aligned people, so many people wanting to collaborate And And again the the issue that kept coming up was like, okay.

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How do we connect and collaborate across these different nodes that we're working on So same thing that that we've really been focused on on what that patterning is And what the processes could be and How can we connect up

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kind of that network of networks. So all that that legal governance, I guess.

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Program management stuff was at the forefront, specifically, as it relates to how we share information and resources across the groups.

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Other other key threads where there was a amazing and delightful network of women.

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That space entrepreneurs there. So there was several female heads space companies that are that are working with different countries around the world on how to promote kind of stem education and engagement in space especially from

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the perspective of getting female representation thereup from its current. 2%.

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But they have a very well connected network of key leaders in the space industry.

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That were delighted to talk about collaboration and how to support.

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As we talk about ontologies, like the us sdgs. One of the key topics was that there's not a There's goals for you know, stewardship of life in in the water and life on land and there's not

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a goal for stewardship. of life and space and we're already starting to kind of and this manage the the space that surrounds our beautiful planet.

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And so that was a really interesting theme. That theme was also connected out to to projects, and Saudi Arabia, Uae, and Africa related to space industry and developing nations.

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And the role that that particular when might be able to play and getting the space industries off the ground.

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With this proper stewardship and values and all those things.

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So that was kind of an interesting tie in with some of the the Ai.

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And robotics and innovation stuff in Estonian.

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But it was another pull, that kind of this leading edge forest.

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I think your work and your careful time and attention you've been paying on the web web 3 stuff, and I triple e and the protocols. you know it's all that same kind of stuff of how we how we establish

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the standards for stewardship of all these advanced technologies, from based technologies to Ai, to robotics, to, you know, Web 3 and all these things that are gonna really be the powerful tools that shape life So all

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that was kind of blazing strong and all that I think is fairly under the represented and ontologies like the sdks.

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So they're that is powerful powerful pull on the attack in Ai and web 3 and space, and all those those advanced sides, and pretty to participate.

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Let's see. So as I sit, with this I think we have you know, when we, when we started this after some social dimensions, work and March in April, and then kind of shooting a email out to 60 people to

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say, hey? Who might want to follow along? and play with the idea we're working on something bigger than any of us can individually handle through a couple of cycles.

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I think we've now hit like this big expansion where you know the size of people that should be on our emailing list that are interested is roughly doubled and and it's gonna take some changes to you know structure and

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leadership and resource, saying and medium meeting, rhythms and communications, and all that, to figure out how to meet that.

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So I think that's the biggest thing that i'm I'm just feeling is that it's like we're we're getting us shared through these potential opportunities to serve in bigger ways.

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We're gonna need to develop their resources and structure do that i'm, a 1,000 could percent committed and certain that everything we've been moving towards is like more needed than ever.

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And so I just wanted to navigate together in the best way.

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So that's maybe some of my updates the last thing that that i'll share is you know we've been working with different different groups on potential you in partnerships, etc.

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You know, around funds and contests, etc., around the Global Goals.

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Those conversations are all advancing. It looks like Should we be able to figure out legal and governance?

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We have, you know, we have surprisingly high level support around those things.

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And it's it's all brought up the same issue that we've been working on which is that like the issue is how we work together, and very specifically, when it comes down to like where are we writing checks and how does

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the governance work right like the specifics of legal and governance and structure. And so we're working through those details.

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And as as we work through those i'm i'm feeling like

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I'm, feeling so grateful for the abundance of opportunities, and so determined that, like we have to hold the absolute integrity around this emergence and like right relationship, and the right structures of all this and so that can

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make things feel like it goes a little slow and I think that's slowness and care with the integrity of every step of governance and structuring is going to be underway a big part of whether this succeeds or not so those are some

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updates around there. Alright, check So those are some updates

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Let's go around the room. does anybody have any key questions I suppose you have your hand that let's take a couple of any questions or things that are live in.

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I'd love to just do a little talking stick round and i'd love to hear from everybody in the room.

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Get your perspective on what's happening. worst yeah sure so a couple quick comments in terms of what you've shared so far.

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But anna also in other direction to think about that hasn't really been on the conversation for myself, or some others, and that's in the area of recognizing that around the planet in the Us.

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And probably maybe in. You know, the stoning and stuff migration is going to become climate.

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Migration is going to become a big deal, and does that fits with disaster, preparedness, and disaster.

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Recovering. So that means there's also going to be a lot of specific funding that's already available, and that's moving into those areas, and the people that a few people I know Georgia belly and

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being one very knowledgeable there. it says that those folks are largely unaware of all the kind of stuff we're talking about, because they're within their own silo.

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So that was one of the things. And then the other thing.

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I might put out for your consideration you mentioned that there's a we that's working on those details you're talking about, and if you felt comfortable just mentioning who the people are that's within

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that pod of the we that would be the other thing I'll hold any of the others stuff till it rotates back around later.

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Yeah, Thanks forist. might be delighted if you would like to be part of the we working on those things.

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And Bill Larson and I have been primarily working on the central agreements.

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What if you'd like to stay more in the loop on that

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Yeah, i'd be yeah that's that's maybe Another big theme is there's a growing number of pattern watchers very concerned about what might unfold over the next 12 months in terms of longer and

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migration And economic watson let's say the total set of impacts arising from how we have disrupted supply chains.

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And then had this work Europe, and how that might further destabilize systems leading to

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Some disasters that could force a lot of migration pressure, which often leads to a additional conflicts.

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And and destabilization. so for us I think you're we're intuition on that becoming a big issue.

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Both the like. both the migration and the root causes that are giving rise to that desperation.

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To move. are going to be a really part big part of this.

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It really hits also with refugees and it hits with the needs to deploy systems that i'm aware of that, could be deployed, that rapidly enable the people to learn how to make their own food to

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do it on site to take care of sanitation I mean there's all the things that happen when that's happening.

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That's really missing infrastructure at most of the government levels.

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They look at refugees, and a and a inaccurate view.

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I think not from a compassionate view. Yeah. So for us, One of the big one of the big topics that that seemed also resonant was this idea that so many of us have are either carrying ourselves and have created or

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have extensively researched these different elements of like the prototype that would be needed.

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And so we think about any hard hit area of crisis there's all the basic needs and problems that need to be met.

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Think, in our network we have a reasonable handle along those solutions.

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I know that in my own mind I can and we don't have those, I think, in writing anywhere, as far as that total stack, and how they could be deployed even going to our last couple of conversations with like Jane

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and other people on the community and management side of all that.

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So from the the dialogical standpoint of how you even start to engage in community and crisis, to get empowered towards solutions, to then, being kind of waiting in the wings with that total set, I think that would be a

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high leverage area, spend some time and try to pull that solution.

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Stack together. Then it's basically just working with each of those groups to go.

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Okay, if we wanted to prototype type what it would look like to take this total stack into an area, you know.

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What would that look like? we actually have a fast track on that, because George Rebellion has been building that stack at him.

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Links and names and relationships it's now up over maybe 40 or 50 pages the stacks that they should be organized into. so that's available as a starting point i've got that that's his what he

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calls that pdf but i've got that pdf.

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So it's often being that updated so we're just updated at the time it's ready to activate Okay, So for us, that that's a potential action.

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Item that you and I could take with anybody else that was interested if we wanted to.

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I'd be happy to spend time with you but We could start with

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Your list in my list, and george's list and just kind of forge something in the shape, and get it out for the group.

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Then to add to. So if if you were willing to do that i'd be happy to collaborate on that together.

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Sure that sounds great. I would say that it would be great to have support of somebody that's gonna really be putting it into the right kind of wiki.

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Your document, or whatever the method is to figure that out before we dive into the actual work, and then might be able to organize and do copy, paste.

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Other kinds of things that move it along fairly quickly. Once we have a clerk plan on it.

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I'm there

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Alright, we might be able to find a Do you ask your in information, maybe somewhere, if we looked really figured out how to make it a nice reciprocal thing.

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Okay, beautiful. We love you team. Okay, judy I guess I just have a question of how we want to contemplate, organize and then manage the explosive dynamic of what's occurring because it's clearly beyond the scope

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of the 15 or so of us that are regularly on the calls, and in order for it to be effective, we have to have a process for engaging in information transfer and a bunch of other things with sometimes massive agencies at Federal

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levels in different countries, or somewhat less messy in state level or local communities and metros.

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It's just It's such a massive dendrite process in terms of the need for the change that needs to be facilitated.

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I'm wondering how we can contemplate the most appropriate role for us to play and the extent to which we can directly or indirectly respond

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A lot about research. we have close access to from that.

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So. So first of all, I think we're gonna need to get these efforts resources right?

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Because they're they're obviously beyond anything we could contemplate with our little part time volunteering, so we can be encourage and share knowledge and all that good stuff.

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But if we're gonna actually engage some of these they need to be well resource bye, i'd i'd love to know how this lands against what you're saying.

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But there's there's an amazing set of resources that i've grown to know in the architecture engineering construction industry around program management, which just do that. If there's a large complex program of action you have very

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solid processes for coming in, sorting out stakeholders, identifying goals, backcasting those analyzing current conditions and kind of setting up the program of action information and communication flows.

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And so my my best type of business so far in the best place i've ever seen.

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That done is where I spent the last 20 years and i'm Sure, there's there's other better places, but I but I think if we got these we could get a couple of these prototypes resource that that would be

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kind of how i'd start by approaching that I think Judy, by getting some getting some really word world class program management support on, and just kind of rolling it through the process.

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And and that all kind of sinks up very closely with the integrated delivery.

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The Lionsburg integrated delivery work we've been trying to together over the last last few years

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Jonathan Recently we had a social architecture meeting in which we realized that that we can't really do a lot of work until we know what Lionsburg is in the Meta project is so I'm thinking

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some very first steps might be to tackle that missing piece

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Thanks. Jonathan

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I agree. i've been then, thinking a lot about that I think we've

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I think I have maybe done a little bit of a disservice by not doing a better job, sharing all all the pieces that are there, and present and immediately actionable.

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Because it it gets too big. So we have a an amazing core court base that needs to be activated.

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So. so, Jonathan i've been thinking about that too, about as we start this new cycle, another round to reset and be extremely clear.

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All the pieces we have in play kind of the lifetimes work they're at table.

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What we have to work with and and then next I mentioned you next week.

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Maybe we'll do kind of a quarterly meeting to get get clear on some written 3 year targets kind of one year your plans, and then down to specific quarterly action.

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So I think if I where to bring some of those pieces together, and then we did more of a standard quarterly meeting, we'd have a It's all in written framework to work, so does that with that kind of address do you need your

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bringing up Jonathan too soon. to say I hope So we're rearing the go so

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Yeah, we need some ground to stand on. I will you're you're welcome to hold me accountable for satisfying your definition of ground to stand on.

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So. So let's get through a quarterly meeting next week, if you're missing any ground to stand on, or if the way that i'm explaining it is too complicated can be in charge of something simplify and make it

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firm a great deal, I love it by thanks.

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Okay, i've heard a couple of words pop up in the last few sentences.

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So if and i'm just gonna flight these words out because I think we need a language and structure, and Jason and I have spoken about this in his last couple of posts in chat I think reflect that conversation not So i'm i'm

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talking Canadian framework. but i'm going to throw some of these words in the entry point to our meeting today was around the energy which was almost chaotic in some ways, but had a sense of water to it you know

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estonia un. but it wasn't really explicit do exactly X.

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Now. Okay, So in the energy and the sense of possibility is somewhere between being chaotic and being complex, because you've got all these moving parts, and they're all going different directions, and it's not that there

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isn't any synergy between them that it's not particularly apparent, and it won't be until it's historical, and even then open to interpretation.

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So that's sort of a mixture of chaos and complexity.

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And then we've got the just do something Now you know what's, our low hanging fruit forest was talking about that, and others have.

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What could we execute? now? that is relatively clear, and gives us a sense of well, at least this is possible.

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And then you just use the word complicated. There are some things that are, you know, bound by legislation and other things.

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So. So here's what i'm saying I think that we lack a way at the moment of identifying which type of domain each of the things that we're trying to handle is coming from and what Judy is talking about is you

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know you you. and do you have aaki to carve this for me?

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Is, you can only impose so much structure on humans when the the things that attempting to work with have those different characteristics. and if you try and impose order on the chaos, one or order on the cook complex one it just

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squirms out some other way, and the are some things that are just complicated.

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You just need to know how the financial system currently works and not break rules, because you create huge governance problems and lacks of trust and lack of trust is somewhere else.

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And and onboarding people that's you know it's partly complexity.

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You've got to meet them where they are and invite them in.

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You can't just say I sent you an email Why didn't you come?

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You came. But why? didn't you stay there's no clear answer to that?

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The the motivations are behind so my proposition is and on the back of all of that we need a theory of change as well, because you kind of play this part of the same systems to each of those domains, and you can't you have to

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think about what type of change is possible in each of those domains.

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So we have to be. And this 2 things I propose.

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One is a is the caution of treating everything as if it has the same properties.

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Because if you trade a complicated thing, as a simple thing you only get into trouble and sometimes with chaos, you just need a little bit of order, and I would say there's a little chaos in our group here in terms of

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what our intentionality is. so my proposal is that we double down a little on getting the language of you know complicated, complex, clear, chaotic, at least betted down, and start to recognize what can't be treated with the same

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recipe, and, what needs more subtle the term things, and recognize the motions and movements of things.

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You can. if you are aware of that, move things between domain.

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So something is clear. Once you know all the rules you can shove up into complicated make a system around it.

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Do do planning and make it happen again and again and again.

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Sometimes people are breaking those rules because the rules weren't good and they're doing sideways things to make the stuff happen that needs to happen.

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And you don't know what's going on and then it gets totally messy.

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So we need to be aware of those things. so a change change theory of change is not just a theoretical thing.

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It's a real practical thing and we need to understand what the qualities of the issues that we're dealing with in.

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And i'm just saying can Evan Framework would help with, and I I composed with Jason that we could do a short presentation on that, just to give people a language to say I know actually this, is messier than it, looks and deal

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with it in a different way, because it's a hammer Now, thing you know, everything needs poor planning is great for complicated things.

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Maybe, anyway, at this an offer in there and the offer is let's let's double down a little bit on the language of what we're dealing with.

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Some things are straightforward. something's a nice and if we treat everything as having the same qualities.

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We'll get into trouble. we'll soon we probably already are there a little bit in terms of what said and what's not said, Not serious trouble, but scale brings trouble or trickiness if you haven't paid attention to these things

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Okay, beautiful. So Jason and Wendy, I would like to accept that concrete offer.

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How to keep us on track. So would you guys be willing to.

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Would like Block 15 to 20 min of our our meeting next week for you guys to give us an overview of what you're thinking, and just some opening frameworks.

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Would that be a good? What would you? like Jason feel free to come off mute and chim in here? No, no, just the one thing I was gonna say build off of Wendy was

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So I was, i've been thinking, for years about a taxonomy of problem solving like all problems are not equal.

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And then the tool sets needed to address those problems, and then I fell into the Canadian model and then I use the Canadian model to start saying, Well, wait a minute.

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There are different ways to approach. I call it approach or address problems because you can't solve a bunch of the problems in the name of the model.

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You can only address them so how you do that slightly different than integrated lean project delivery on some parts of the problem.

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So it's it's under which parts need what energy and what approach .

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That's so that's I think something and I would I think I will.

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I'm gonna be color commentary to to wendy's awesomeness, and whatever we do, so I would defer to her, related to like the amount of time that would probably be necessary to assist in talking about this model

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And just finishing and brief Here it's possible to link where the energy is in this system.

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And I keep on talking about energy in a way that you can actually see what is actually dropping into different domains.

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So something that you thought was actually ordered and organized and I will defer completely to Jason's expertise here in.

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You know, Cutter, and other things you know this there are things that you've done in a production system that I would never be capable of doing.

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But i'm very good at recognizing when when parts of the system need to be handled differently, and the science of narrative will help us a lot here to track when something shifting that we just didn't realize and get

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to it sooner rather than later. So this science to tracking this that you can then say, No, this is something we need to impose order on.

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This is this is something that we need to understand is turning into something else, and we're not quite sure what yet.

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But we're going to track it and manage it in a different way.

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Okay, beautiful. And Pete had his head up for a while, and so as windy.

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So. yes, sooner rather than later, otherwise we'll go all over the shop.

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Yeah, let's go, Pete, and wendy and then yeah it's good key.

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Thanks, and Wendy. I appreciated what you you brought in with terminology.

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And thank you, Jason. I kind of wanted to touch back to what Jonathan said about our social architecture.

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Call yesterday. What he said is, we realized we Can't really do a lot of work until we know what Lionsberg is, or what the Meta project is.

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I said as much on that call. I think a couple of us did.

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Jonathan suggested that a path forward is to figure that out, and then we would know what to do.

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It's not clear to me that that's the the it's not it's not clear to me that that's the clear path forward, because i'm not sure that meta project is at the place where we can

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say what it is yet. So I want to make sure that we avoid rushing to overdefine something which is still emerging, and use that as a way to work on something that we can't quite work on yet

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And reflecting on that makes me wonder. I think what i'm maybe all of us many of us are i'm a little frustrated.

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We seem to work. We seem to be doing a lot of work or a lot of activity.

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We have a lot of activity at kind of a metal level we haven't done very much practical work.

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I'm: Okay, with that except that I feel like we're trying to get to practical work by doing more meta-work rather than just saying Yeah, we can't do meta work right now, or it doesn't

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make sense to do matter work right now. and maybe we should just do some practical work. I think maybe that's a path forward to to do some very specific project things that aren't you know that that are in the forward direction

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the forward path of Meta Project but Aren't developing meta-project of 2 or 3 or 5 years from now.

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I i'm certainly one of the people who sees Meta project 2 or 3 or 5 years out.

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Jordan. I know you do, and I know a number of us.

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Do, and I can predict a lot of what we need then working to build.

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That right now is sometimes premature. and I think we drive ourselves a little bit to distraction.

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I'm doing that. Even things that are that are pretty obviously straightforward, that we will need, like a directory of projects or a directory of people.

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Were overbuilding right now, because we don't know what we need.

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We don't know what we want we don't know why we want it.

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We don't know who would use it. for what when so all of those open loops in definition of what we need create kind of a frothy environment for people like me.

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Maybe people like Jonathan people like Vincent to go.

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I could build that and start building it for a directory.

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Maybe we just need a spreadsheet or a Google Doc or a hack. Md: I would prefer.

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But and for a directory of people maybe all we need is a Google, Doc, I don't know but we don't have that even yet, right now, because we've been so excited about what we could build rather than what we need for this

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week or the next week in the week after that I said a lot.

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I'm going to say one more thing which is a little bit separate a thing.

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We had an interesting call yesterday. The Social architecture crew was trying to.

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We started to come post a call from 2 weeks ago, I wasn't around to make the call a week ago, when it would have been better to compost it.

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So, anyway, reading the notes from 2 weeks ago made me remember something that I said back then that that still makes a lot of sense for me.

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It's that we don't spend a lot of time hanging out together.

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And so it's it can feel frustrating to get together for an hour and a half in in zoom space, and have a lot of plans.

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Go on, and then you know not know what's going on for a week, and then yeah, do the same thing again.

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So spending time together There's there's kind of 2 times 2 2 kinds of spending time together for me that that humans like that humans enjoy that humans need.

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One of them is kind of just hanging out and learning about each other, or having a little bit of fun together, or chit chatting, or whatever right another kind is finding a tab that needs more than 2 pair of hands one

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pair of hands. It needs a few pair of hands to all work together on and confronting challenges together and arguing about which way is the right way to do it, and congratulating each other.

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When we've got 100 linear feet of ditch dug, or you know, 3 h of meetings transcribed, or whatever the work is.

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So I you know, I when I first was thinking about this, so we don't spend enough time hanging out and just enjoying each other's company and talking about the weather or talking about you know what's fun or what

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what? what you've been doing, what you eat for dinner or something like that. The the kinds of work are kind of interchangeable.

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I think most of us here and certainly me there's there's a work has a bad connotation for a lot of people because they do work that They're forced to do not that.

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They enjoy all of us are pretty mature enough we've learned that work and so fun, you know it's fun to do work, so I remember that.

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Oh, we don't actually have to hang out and just shoot shoot the ball!

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We don't have to do that. We could be working on something together, but then it needs to be something meaningful right something that we can say.

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You know we spent 4 h together on this this week. or this 2 weeks, and look at what we've accomplished, and let's just keep doing that and do more of it.

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I one of the things that I that so it's it's a reminder for me that it's frustrating to feel like we're not getting anything done but in reality we haven't spent that much time together

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and if we spend more time together productively, whether it's you know entertainment, productivity, or work productivity, I think we'll feel our blood pressure and our in our and our frustration, will will relax because we're doing.

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something together, and being productive together

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Go to Wendy, and then pete if you'd be willing to think about how if we were to have a little hypothesis on how we could.

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What what we could do better to facilitate what you're talking about concretely.

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Some people would know how to engaged in that, and we would know how to engage in it.

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Let me just say i've had quite a few thoughts as I've been waiting in the queue a lot of people have already voiced them, so I just wanna say thank you to people who are voicing them in

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the room. So i'm gonna try and add on instead of repeat

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I I think the best way to encapsulate everything that I'm.

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Thinking is along the lines of this group on the people that are showing up regularly being a model for what we see needs to happen in the world.

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So the Estonia initiative is amazing and your connections at the Un are amazing.

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And the Ghana project is amazing and where all this is really exciting, and and I think a lot of us can see how collaboration is on the edges of everything everybody wants.

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And so is an enhanced directory, and so is a knowledge network, and so is, you know, all these other things that we are hoping to create. and we are struggling to do that just for the people in this room right.

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I think we would learn a lot. So this idea of picking a smaller project, or in some spaces I voiced in the past, you know, picking an experiment to run through how whatever words we want to use it's picking on you

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know, is slicing off something and saying we're gonna focus on this and practice with it.

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Give ourselves the freedom and the abundance, feeling of practicing on something that if we fail, it's okay right, and that the fail feels minor and not like a failure, because we just learned and we picked our you know we kept

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going instead of feeling like there's so so much at stake, Now this doesn't mean that in parallel we couldn't also be, and you know, percolating the other relationships and inviting the right people in I

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just i'm feeling

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2, like too many threads, are going afraid, and the energy is not the energy of individuals.

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And the in between meetings. I think this is kind of what Pete was getting at.

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If I if I caught his, the vibe of what he was saying right?

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The energy dissipates too much during the week there is not enough cross communication between us.

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There's not enough focused attention to help us pick priorities.

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There's no group to go to to get feedback or realign when new issues come up, or when you know new thoughts come in, or something else emerges.

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So that's telling me we need a structure we need governance right in this room.

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First, so that as we start to add on the decentralized pieces and more of them, they they have somewhere to go.

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They They're gonna struggle, with the same things we're struggling with refo focusing our on our energies.

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Just X externally from this group I think will be a distraction for a little while, and then we'll ultimately fall apart, because there is no backbone for them to align themselves to either in dig or small ways

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so that's of concern to me part of that backbone isn't just structural and procedural as I will echo what Pete was saying.

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It is by, is it is actually even more important that it's the connections in this room, because this is going to be hard work, and what is going to motivate us all to keep going in spite of how hard it is is that

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we love each other, and that we're here for each other and that we've got each other's back, and that will be there in the hard moments, and sometimes you know 4 of us will need a particular attention because of one particular project going

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on, and the rest of us will come will swoop in to support and vice versa.

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And we will need we'll need that and also a recognition for you.

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Jordan playing, having been at the forefront at the edge here for so long, i'm eager for you to share the weight of what you have I've yet to hear.

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What is it really that lined? Why, i'd love a presentation from you when you feel ready?

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What is it? What is the p I don't still Don't understand?

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What is this piece that Lionsburg is going to be offering?

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And what is this emergence with future capital what is that really looking like, even if it's just in its emergence stage? It helps me understand how to align the pieces even in these early early manifestations.

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It helps me put my energy in the right place. So again echoing what Pete said and what was spoken into the Social architecture meeting yesterday.

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The energy is dissipating while it was growing for you on your trips.

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It was dissipating on this end because there was no feedback loop.

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And you're right now just an observation this isn't criticism.

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But you are the feedback loop right now, and we need many more.

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Right. So we need a core group that that is responsible and has accountability to different pieces, so that there's movement regularly.

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So that, and and speaking to I forgotten, I think it was forced to, said, You know there are so there's so much waiting right in the wings.

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But if we draw it in at the wrong time, if especially if the time is particularly wrong, we can get all excited about what they have to offer.

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But the energy is just going to dissipate because it's the wrong time.

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So again it we need a core backbone to help provide a rhythm to help provide a consideration and mindfulness over inviting these pieces in at the right time, when we have the bandwidth to include them.

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Or consider them, or give feedback to them, or whatever, because otherwise these pieces are just sitting.

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We we it's too much thank you

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I'm trying to i've been sitting here writing myself notes on how to formulate, trying trying to say or communicate.

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I think we're. all excited, and drawn to the opportunity that exists to make meaningful contributions to the many, many problems that the world is facing.

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But it would be impossible, or a group our size, or even a 1,000.

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Our size to meaningfully address that in a systematic way. without having shared levels of awareness and communication, because it can evolve into chaos and almost to feudalism.

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If we're not careful because things will start to seem to be competing with one another when they're actually doing the same thing in a different context, and therefore in a different way.

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And so there's a process of communication where actually wrote in the chat i'm. kind of feeling like I need more communication, not less so shifting to quarterly or less frequent meetings is somewhat concerning

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because so much is changing so quickly that you keeping up with what's happened in the last 3 or 4 weeks is a little bit of a challenge, and and we're not yet at the maturity as a group or a team 2 sort of

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blindly trust without knowing, and even if we did blindly trust because we do trust.

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And I think the trust in this group is extraordinarily high if we're trusting, but have the wrong information, we can still do things that are destabilizing or not helpful to the situation.

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That we're approaching So it it feels to me like we needed to find a magic balance point that combines wisdom and action with evaluation and analysis.

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So that it can be constructively better each time we try to do something, and that has an umbrella over it.

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Of the incredible diversity of the groups that are actually going to be the feed on the street implementers.

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I mean, I think, about Estonia as a great microcosm.

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The metropolitan area of the twin cities is about 6 times the size of hisphonia, and getting them to agree to do anything as simple as fixing sidewalks is sometimes challenging.

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So there's some things that are more possible with small groups than bigger groups.

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But these problems are so big that we're going to have to figure out how to interface with not individuals, but agencies and major organizations that are working in this too.

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And so i'm struggling with you know I have energy I have some competency.

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But how do I really help? Because if I can't really help i'll get frustrated or overwhelmed?

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And so I think we're at a very capable point in our own internal social dynamic, because we've built empathy and sharing amongst this team, and some of us have another 50 people we could reach out to

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others have another dozen. Some may have thousands I don't know the scope even that each person could reach.

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But how do we do the right kind of dendritic expansion, and build at the same time the knowledge that lets it be reck that we learn from it, and can share the learnings in very diverse environments

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Always so well said. They can keep

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Worst.

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Yeah, thank you. to respond to a couple of different things.

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I think what you brought up. Pete was really good, because, Jordan, as soon as it went into kind of looking at putting some kind of list together, or whatever that might be in my mind, I started backing up to go wha what is it going

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to be used for. How is it going to be used what so knowing that there's that big picture envelope and figure out, Okay, where does that show up and write timing right?

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Order. it's more saying that again we have all these resources and such.

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And there's more detail about that including jamaica and work with George and I a couple of years ago, put in support number of hours already putting this kind of stuff together.

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So again it's needing a bucket I have to turn it into a deliverable that can be used by others with in the context that it's intended the other thing I just wanted to point as a positive

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societal thing happening in the United States right now. They got announced just a couple of weeks ago, and then to try to underline what this might mean.

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So we think about it a little bit. So the usda which had talked about putting in a 1 billion dollars to launch Carbon's partnerships for carbon.

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Smart commodities actually announced 2.8 billion across 70 different projects that will be paid out without match over the next 3 to 5 years.

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That's going to pull in a lot more than the few 100 organizations that are already involved with it.

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So there's a whole thing about that's a whole ecosystem.

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It's being launched with nearly 3 billion dollars of cash that somebody didn't have to turn around and go get investment money to do with a lot of colleagues that I know that have the organizations around to do

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that that seem to me to be particular very connected to the kind of things we're talking about.

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But if there isn't, the energy to kind of think about what's it take to appropriately and realistically connect with the folks, particularly early on before they stabilize, into Okay, these are the partnerships these are

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the people. This is the direction this is what's happening So that's just a window of opportunity that just happens to be crip prox right now.

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Or critical proximity. Yeah, one of the things which is what we had talked about some time ago.

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Maybe a month, 6 weeks or so that in a conversation with Jonathan and I think it was part of the maybe the resources group, or something like that is really we are lacking.

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And going back to what kilo said I I think that really what's happening in a good part of right now is, since we don't have any methodology of really tracking the investment of energy that's being put in by

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all the various different people in any form whatsoever we're training the energy of love essentially bottom line that's what's happening?

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That's the reciprocity that's occurring we are, we are consuming and trading the energy of love.

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And so what's that can only go so far without going into transparency that you then actually start to understand where? what are the energy flows that are happening?

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Where are the the networks and the patterns of these?

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Energy flows happening, if we can't map it any place And so this is why, from planary careers point of view, I ended up with this off the wall kind of hypothesis that you had to start with the

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Constitution already figured out that in people could buy into a methodology we use profit units and things like this.

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We use contracts. We use this, even though we don't have the money We have a measurement we have a few in there.

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We have a trust that's developed among all the different people not to say that this is the way that the Lionsburg or any of this should go just that in a current method.

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It feels like that. that would add a lot of value. I guess, is what I'm saying is, if there was a method that would be reasonably figured out what that method is, I I I don't know I I think that

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takes some people to think about in the turnaround and put together and find a method that makes sense for the group.

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But the value of keeping track, then, is much more close to a healthy ecosystem, cause I help.

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The ecosystem is exchanging energy and molecules and consumption of whatever it is that's going on.

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And so that's automatically nature's keeping track of it and so we wanna create some level of visibility for ourselves.

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So complete with that. Thanks. thanks for yeah I could easily see when we I'm so, Judy, to quickly go back to your comment with the just wanna clarify a misunderstanding around the quarterly meetings what

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I was referring to is is in the organizations i've run in the past.

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We've done a specific type of quarterly meeting to really center in and make sure everybody's aligned on clarity on that next 90 days.

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How it leads into one and 3 years. out and to make sure there's understanding on their targets, and then the the weekly meetings are executing to those priorities.

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So I wasn't proposing that that would go but just that.

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We tried to have a very focus type of meeting that would really and and for us to what you were saying.

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What I what I learned and what I think everything i've read has said is typically Pete.

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I think you said this couple of weeks ago. maybe we should try to focus on a very few things and actually get them done, you know, instead of having a lot of things that we don't get done that's the basic failure

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pattern is that you pick 7 quarterly priorities and then you don't accomplish them as opposed to picking 2 or 3 in and nailing them each time.

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So forest. I I can easily say what see what you're talking about on on how we start the measurement and exchange being a, or or at least that basic measurement of energy flows connected to those priorities being one

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of the in that tackle in our next cycle so we couldn't talk about that, maybe next week, and see if it's a thanks for.

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Bring that in, Jason

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Yeah. So I think Judith said, about scale is interesting.

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And then I think about Estonia having interesting stuff because it's you know it.

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It's it's big enough but not too big and I and what we're doing in and appleton is, and we're basically fox cities is about 250,000 people, and what that does is it compresses

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the amount of complexity. down to 3 hospital systems. 4 foundations.

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So 6 local businesses that are a 1 billion dollars plus

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And so it starts to create capacity to create alignment.

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And so my couple of reflections over the past couple of weeks.

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And what people are the same. I got a chance to go to the Balkans last week, so I spent 7 days and 6 countries, and I could, and all the countries were small.

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You know, from Slovenia, the Montenegro to Croatia, to Serbia, at the Hungary and and Bosnia.

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And what is what is interesting is thinking about the long arc of a city state.

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It's not world war 2 it's 29 Bc.

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And the resilience of over time to persevere as a Bosnian.

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Over basically 20 to 30 occupations over the period of 2,000 years.

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Has There's something to say about that locality that ability to to hold a space, hold a culture hold a aspiration.

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So. So that was my reflection of seeing those different cultures, and they are all different, which is quite interesting, too.

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The The work we're doing locally is becoming interesting for a few few reasons.

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One. it's going local and and national so for example We are building a community data hub lying to by all community.

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I'd say, all most community stakeholders to have one data infrastructure that's creating a poll for a national set of people to run a grant to really create a standard structure for data infrastructure for communities So

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the pull comes up. But the work is actually in the and the locus And so it's the connections between the national or the global, or this group in each of our own domains where we're doing our work and how we learn from

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each other. One of the big things that we're struggling with in the

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Standard of local community prototype is understanding and testing government structures.

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And so we kind of understand how to create local ecosystems that can cash flow positive.

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And we can kind of understand how to engage local businesses in reinforcing and creating a positive cash flow that reinforces the cash flow that's there.

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We're trying to figure out is how we create that infrastructure or the governance that enables the people who are working in this general local community to benefit from it.

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So yeah, I can that's like so If I had asked i'm like, Okay, that's where that's where you know, we're looking at mandra and cooperative model, because it seems to work But are there

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better models. So as we just think through those type of things, that's kind of where my head has been over the last couple of weeks, and it's exciting to see the local the national and the ability to think about how we might

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experiment, cross context.

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So, Jason. you you may or may not know that several years ago.

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We're starting out on this that legal and governance piece became apparent that it would be basically the sticking point of the thing that we didn't know how to do as a species.

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So in our pathways to set up, but to set up Lionsburg.

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We research the world for examples? Laundrom was brought to my attention, and I ended up taking 2 week long trips with the leading us professor, who spent the last 40 years on the Montagon model and groups of grad students over there

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Bill came on one of those 2 trips for a week, so we do very, very deeply.

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And person over multiple trips into that model. We have personal relationships with

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Key executives and wisdom holders of that whole system.

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And for a very specific reasons we we we need to just take a step beyond it for for very specific reason.

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So i'd be delighted to collaborate on on that, and share some of that with this question of of what are we doing?

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Setting up those fractal nodes of governance that can be network together and ecosystems that can flow resources.

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And I mean you've obviously seen how that mongeon model got built out over time.

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One of to think about where I think we're going is that that's that's a small example of what simply needs to be done.

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And there's been reasons why monitor gone kind of capped out at that

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That 13 billion dollars and staying local in Boston and Spain. Yeah.

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And so we've had some very smart lines thinking about why they hit that cap.

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Why is it not work to export it around the world and countries?

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To what really do let's let's talk about that Okay, thank you

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What are we? One more thread there before? we go to wendy, which is to say that the other person other than a couple of us that are on this call that have maybe thought about that the deepest is this graham boyd

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who was Well, i'm gonna nodding to forest Obviously, so probably Bill and I and Forest and graham void are among the people that I found at least that have thought deepest.

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About this next generation of ecosystem governance and laundry gun, and what's beyond it?

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So I think that's part of Why, the universe had Graham and I just spent a week together in Estonia because we got hours and hours and hours to really dive deep into our last years of work, and and align

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and we very, very, deeply aligned on what I think are the principles of that.

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And so I think there's gonna be a match

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Can cut a couple of years off your roadmap and have a prototype chicken.

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Alright wendy so just saying that the retreat that I went to, and i'll just say the canvin retreat.

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In August was exactly on that topic so so we've got a group of people who are very broad thinkers who we could use as a reference group, since everyone was working on quite solid and multiple levels, of thinking around

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you know governance and decision making, and what makes that hang together?

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So I could use that community of practice to to bring in and invite them, since they all came with that theme in mind.

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And that's still fairly fresh and so there's an opportunity there to have you know 3 people who are familiar with cannabis framework, talking about governance, looking critically at some of these systems knowing that there's some probably little

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flourishes that haven't necessarily been added but could quite easily be added, partly because there are people who've got existing projects. And you can say, well, you know how would this model work, and actually get a bit of good nuance thinking and I think dave would be up

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to that as well. So and the timing is right we've only just recently come together.

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So getting the breadth about a number of people and a specific event that's already got a lot of inputs that I could look at and we've got all the transcripts and such from that all they're coming so

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we've actually got real Dna around what was discussed as opposed to.

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We had a good meeting. It was interesting We Think there's Some good options.

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Yeah. Great. thanks. I need the link for Montgomery, and they need to have a community here for me to come up to speed with.

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That would be my ask. Okay. so wendy I would be.

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I can tell you how delighted, i'd be to have that community of practice to exchange ideas with, and see if we can come to a shared, wise, right model for anybody who is not aware of it.

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Open future coalition is having a summit october eighteenth, which is like 3 weeks out. One of the biggest things they've asked from me is whether far enough along that we can finish articulating kind of the

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governance in interoperability and agreements among the Federation.

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So i've been up i've been spending a lot of time at on that so at 1 30 this morning.

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Just grinding, trying to get that that whole thing.

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So I would really really love Wendy if that group was willing to be able to take.

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And Jason like, let's take all that work and what though, and I have done and see if we can bring that together and come out with.

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Really, why is this build set of principles? that would solve issues for Jason.

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I think it would solve issues for us, and it would be our to skip.

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I think

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Okay, i'm windy you're on you're on mute

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What hasn't been done from that meeting and pete and I put a bit in for a book that the the transcripts themselves are actually important, input because it's what's sitting between the speakers and the nuances that that's where

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the gold is so any particular speaker will have a particular viewpoint.

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But what's said collectively. between them is important so I might need a little bit of Pete's help. But Pete's not so available at the moment, so that would just be a bit of tech support by a you got a

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lot happening on your plate feed. So anyway, eighteenth of October is only 2 weeks away, and it's a critical 2 weeks to get that information going.

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So yeah, there's a little bit of a community practice that might needed around that just to help do my little bit.

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Well.

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Beautiful. Thank you. Andy.

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Sorry it's very cute you can just say something so what I'm wanting to say, and you guys are gonna start to see me joking a little bit on the load here.

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But so like wendy and pete that's that's obviously an incredible opportunity to bring those streams together with what Bill and I have done into the open future coalition thing merging with Jason like that this is what

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the network needs right now is the thing un estonia everything.

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So obviously what we're dealing with is us not being that mature of an organization.

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Yet than having like teams assigned to schedule all these things.

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So i'm gonna say what I was gonna say which is that I would really really like to collaborate on this the next 2 weeks.

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And hopefully, we can create how to be patient with each other in superintendent.

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You can actually do it so alright sorry thank you to though I just there.

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It's like there's so many amazing. valuable threads here like we've been talking about, and we need to develop the resources and capacity to advance all these.

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Okay, thank you. and and listening to what you just said really my my heart truly goes out to for holding so many things and jumping in so many things.

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I I don't know how but I invite all of us to think of how we can help, or how we can engage, and also for you to think, how can can anything be shared?

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And how can that happened while leaving you your role, and also just helping, cause you keep getting more and more.

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And if I start getting concerned when I see that from the side if there's one of you, and not that many hours in a day, and not that many days in the week, that's not what I raise my hand to say by the way, I do

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have other things to say, but that's what I wanna say to explain.

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After this, this exchange right and so when I raised my hands to say it was after when Jason, when you were speaking, which I thought was really interesting.

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I'd love to hear more about you know what your engagement and what you're doing, and and those trips and such.

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And so the the dinner that we had and that's a dinner that we have without you, Jordan, because you were on the plane at that point.

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But it was sort of right before I left, and it was with a guy who was a former minister of entrepreneurship and information technology, also for racking foreign Minister, and in the leadership of one of the main

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parties, and it's a center right party they call reform party.

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They've been credited with a lot of sort of progressive things in Estonia.

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But you know also gets landed for some of the social issues that's that's come with those types of approaches.

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And so we were speaking to We were speaking to the notion of you know what could be done in a stone, in, and what level it could be done, and to Grams work, and to just sort of what we could represent of our

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joint interests, and we ended up with this potential vision.

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For what if? And this is kind of economic and business based?

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Partly because Graham was in the conversation and he's very much about building businesses and business ecosystems.

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But what if we find this highly aligned way of building let's call them more enlightenment businesses and communities and ecosystems?

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Were all stakeholders. are benefiting in the value that's created in the value and the benefit that's created using these multiple capitals.

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And you know there's different ways of structuring incorporation and governance that can get to there.

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But the big big picture behind that, where the stone is a small country, 1.3 million people.

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And if you were to be able to activate the population into understanding and recognition, if you were to be able to activate a larger share of the population to recognize the value of creating a bigger pie for everyone and then get them activated into themselves between

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themselves creating a bigger pie. There will be great value to that.

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This small country where Gdp is only 36 billion dollars.

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Look up apples, quarterly profits, and revenue is considered perspective.

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But if you can get the people to build a bigger pie together, you can probably also dividends the benefits of the greater pie. Even just a couple of unicorns on the context of a country is small.

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As Estonia lead to meaningful checks for majority of the population in the country, where meeting salaries about €20,000.

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And that's kind of a thinking we're on one hand you're talking about structures and systems and business building governance.

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And business to create value in this aligned less wasteful way.

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And, on the other hand, you're talking about emergent and well, you're talking about activation of people education, engagement collaboration.

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But really activation of people, both into understanding the value of creating something together for the joint benefit as well as recognition of how to do that which is trainable and educatable. where you can.

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You know. There, there, there's a lot of initiative in a stone.

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And so if they see the juice, bars are in across the border, they'll start too far isn't the latest clipping, and then whatever right But if you were to be able to do sort of Yeah, it's higher

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level initiatives to create that greater value and get more of the population to think along the lines of jointly creating greater value.

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Now you really have a potential engine prevailing benefits, and if you then have a structure to share it also between the different stakeholders that are, go all the way down from the State nation level, to you know organizations and communities

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and then whatever systems to the people, then you have a potential future vision with an activated population and all of a sudden it doesn't feel like you have 1.3 million people you've also multiplied your population.

01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:41.000
If you can activate the population and activate the system, and you now have sort of production or productivity of value, and the greater pie, if you will, at at at the level of a you you know potentially larger country.

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So that was part of the conversation that We were having and all these things that we're talking about.

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Here actually one way or another belong. So that's why I I don't have a very concrete, point, but it feels relevant and resonant to speak that out and again, it has the part of the systems and processes and you know all that sort

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of tangible nuts and bolts as well as the people and collaboration and emergence and ability to connect to the You know what I think of the field of knowing, because I don't value knowledge I value the ability

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to access that place where no one is between us and that's teachable

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Some key to what you're saying. I think goes back to this idea of this prototype of all these different elements that could be deployed in any place. right?

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And so you know, Jason, you said you have a a reasonably size to 250,000 person, community, let's say.

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And the biggest issue is these issues of governance and is it the monument model, or something beyond what what's worked right?

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I think you're speaking on basic same thing at the instilling a level, and then goes from how you engage the the human beings and the hearts and minds, and the souls, and how you into how you train and how to

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deploy these interconnected ecosystems and help every individual organization and community to dial towards their potential right.

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And then it's the inner relationship of all that that's the map.

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So I think that's. that's all been the heart of what hopefully moving towards right, right on queue, though I think that's and if I man just one very practical little technical thing But I think

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it's politically useful for people which is when people start understanding, especially in a very small country playing with taxes and regulations, only gives you so much in the Us.

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You can get a lot cause a percent is a huge number here in a stoneia.

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It's Not and so the relative value of creating more together or making the pi bigger, or finding what is value and creating value becomes more visibly into focus.

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So it also translates to dollars and cents, or whatever the currency is

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Okay, we'll

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Hi thanks as Many of you have probably been experiencing i'm sitting here with ever more thoughts going through my head and so i'll share a couple of them, and can offer something in in conclusion, my wife and I are on

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Cape Cod this week, and we stopped to buy some groceries on the way up just south of the cave, and there was an old man.

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He looked like he was 85. He was so bent over that his back was almost parallel to the ground, and he had to look at you like this.

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And he was working at the grocery store begging groceries, and I couldn't speak and Rose just stepped ahead and started to graciously help.

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Big groceries, grabbed eggs from another aisle is kind of late at night, and we smiled at him and thanked him, and just kind of tried to make it a a nice moment.

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But as we walked away we were just each once, and it just almost.

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I can hardly talk about it without tears. How can we help us?

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How can we have people who have to work at that stage in life and i'm not saying that to blame anybody, but at to point out something that Jesus talked about the Pharisees said, Well, who's my neighbor they didn't want to

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love their neighbors, so they challenged him, and he said well, let me tell you a story, or maybe it was a disciple, said, Who's my neighbor?

01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:32.000
Can't, remember, and he told the story of the good Samaritan, a man who, unlike the priest that walked by the injured victim of robbers, stopped and took care of him, and brought him to an end and paid for him to stay

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:41.000
there while he recovered. So the question is your neighbor is the answer is, Who who you run into, Who has a need?

01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:56.000
That's your neighbor, whoever it is and in earth modern interconnected world sadly in a in maybe could kind of we have neighbors who are everywhere in the world.

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I am I see the need i'm aware of it and I wonder how can I help this need, or I hard myself to it?

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That's the difficulty of seeing world, needs so the challenge is, how do you aggregate resources to reach out to the larger Meta needs without neglecting, Of course, that elderly person at your left hand, or your child that

01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:32.000
you're right. So that got me thinking about what is needed to make things work between people here.

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Civil law is the balancing of competing social values criminal law is different, but civil law finds this balance.

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You can't balance social needs, unless you have either an imposition of, say, a zoning law which is supposedly done for the benefit of both sides of an equation, or you have a meeting of the mines and humility and

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:06.000
communication and understanding. if I don't understand your needs I can't defer to them.

01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:16.000
So thinking about collaborating to meet social needs in about neighbors that calls for concerted action in systems right.

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This is all elementary, but these thoughts are going through my head.

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And so now that the theme is come up we need to know each other, we can't just talk in meta terms.

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We we need to actually do something. And what is Linesburg all about, and all that.

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I just wanted to volunteer myself as a a point of reference or conversation.

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I've gotten to know several of you on a one-on-one basis.

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So we've had great conversations and I deeply appreciate that I I learned so much, but I might be able to offer some insight into some of the thinking that's gone on behind the whole Lionsburg project but some of

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the practicalities of our what some, what can happen, what what are some elements that we see as very approachable?

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I I hate to see people that I love and started to be not understand something that I think we need to understand.

01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:38.000
So if I can be of any help, I am totally open and I want to have conversations with whoever I can in this group, And so just wanna lay that out there, because because if if we can, connect, as friends, I think it's easier for

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us to balance our efforts to meet social needs in that that point of their overlap.

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Because if competing social values are met by isolated siloed people there won't be collaboration, and then one group's effort to meet one need is going to be competing for the resources to meet that need so the connection

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between people that are friends facilitates us, understanding each other, and compromising to come up with something that works for all of us.

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But it also happens on this nonprofit to nonprofit business to business country to country basis.

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If we don't understand one another we can't come to the point of beating social needs.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, Bill.

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Wanna just add the web bill just said I feel bad that this far in there's not as much clarity and alignment that we could have around things that seem so so I just really like to encourage

01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:21.000
people that Bill might be able to pick up on my inadequate use of explaining some of the inception of this Oh, that's available! impossible!

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So thanks, Bill, for but it it it takes a little bit of I don't know.

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Yeah, probably you know bill and i've been talking about this for 5 years, and we still I think every week bill. We've probably come to at least one or 2 points.

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We're not fully sunk up consciously on yet So it's It's like takes a little bit of commitment, and for anybody who's trying to deal with systems change on how you need maybe the most critical

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decade in human history at the edge of a total con wipe quantum shift of a complex system that involves all humanity and all the living system in a total realignment.

01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:05.000
It's like not something that can just be reduced really simply.

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And so. but I think there's a very pragmatic way that if we were to just act out what we've done already, and everything we said today, it's like that with that cold thing starts to get real lines bill thanks for

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your just to hang in there, and

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Yeah, thank you. and just a couple quick points. kind of cycling back to

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Internal practicality of of Meta Project and Lyonsburg, and that is, am thinking about on the one component that was mentioned about tracing energy flow by some methodology.

01:41:54.000 --> 01:42:06.000
But also then recognizing, then, okay, then, what is a process that we might actually start experimenting with to as a group huge?

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Where are the energy flowers to go and even if we're using a point system that is, however, it's put together so like that.

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But there will come a point where there's a bucket of once, and those funds will be inadequate, because that's the nature of it.

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And or they will be inadequate to prefer fill all the desires of the projects that can be brought forward by the people that is needed internally and externally to want to do so.

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That's a that's a skill set to actually that takes practice and things like that.

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We're actually in a place where we might be able to begin that skill set of the working together and and making this kind of decision.

01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:05.000
And this goes back to the only piece of software platform that I'm aware of.

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And maybe there's others. is Co Budget and co-budget is actually designed exactly for this purpose, and to allow groups to be able to allocate resources.

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So I just wanted to add that. And then the second component that feels really valuable was early early.

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Receiver of resources. is someone that really worked closely with you, Jordan, and closely with anybody else.

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That might be a a a point of bringing the end this energy But it's particularly you right now that can turn around and on a fairly frequent basis, because of the nature of how rapidly things are changing produce through just conversation and very simple editing

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whether it is a a audio or whether it's an audio video, some kind of short thing that starts to encapsulate the various different components.

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So sometimes it might be you given it. it might be Key Loo given it, and might be Bill given.

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And whoever that is that goes into our lionsburg Youtube channel and is able for those that have the desire to pick up on that stuff, even if it's 2 weeks later, or a month later, all of a sudden, Oh, now, i'm

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attracted. Now I want to go catch up on these various different pieces, and not have to try and figure out where that is.

01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:36.000
In one of these long meetings. So those are the 2 points.

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I wanted to

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Yeah, thanks cool. What what you just said is a very it's a relatively simple pragmatic thing that would be very easily easy to handle with a very minor amount of support.

01:44:54.000 --> 01:45:02.000
Is that that stream of first thing. So thanks for continuing to bring up

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Jonathan

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I hear the word love a lot, and it excites me because it matches something on heartbroken over about the human race being so dominated by profit, motive, and selfishness.

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And I know I want to open the question or focus on the question that ceased to be coming up here? Which is, do we want to convert love into fiat?

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Is there some way we can encourage love by paying for it?

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This sounds like a Utopian, and ridiculous idea I presume you see, we're throwing a lot of energy into this, and if we

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:27.000
If we can investigate, How do nurture love and

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Fabricated structure that allows love to thrive, and people who join are gonna go.

01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:40.000
Oh, my God, this is different. This is exactly what the human race needs.

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Thank you.

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Jonathan. Then people writing or then tempting to ado posits that if there was a single open, are you uniting design criteria for the New World that we're trying to co-create it's

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love, and that that's not only maybe the cardinal value through which you could derive all other values that flow from it, that that value should actually be the basis for all exchange and allocation of energy and the successor system

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right. I mean it's like if we were to say that simply a complete alignment, realignment of the flow of value.

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Would consciousness rooted and love would cause everything else to fall into place.

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So it's thank you it it would create utilia. it's neatobian and it must be done.

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Yeah. Thanks for saying that. Thanks for giving me goosebumps.

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Dude.

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Sorry. Can you start again? Sounds mute. sounds mute. Thanks.

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Thank you, Jonathan. That was lovely. I liked it.

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With my

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With my consulting hat on, I I think what we i'm going to make a diagnosis kind of, or a suggestive diagnosis, which I think is we're doing too much work individually and not enough

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work together, and maybe that's the phase we're in and that's fine.

01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:51.000
But pretending that we're working together when we're working individually?

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Is it's a conflict right it's a wish that we're not fulfilling.

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And then that makes everybody sad, So someday we'll be working together on stage and Jordan, I want to suggest an example.

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This is a really difficult example, I think, but the Ofc.

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Summit, October the eighteenth. I would love for you.

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I would love for us. I would love for us to knock it out of the park.

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Have 3 or 4 of us there have a beautiful presentation about Lionsberg and the matter project.

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Yada yada we're not mature enough for that, having you do it by yourself, matures your participation in it, and it leaves the rest of us out.

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And maybe it's the time for that maybe you know maybe you need to sleep 4 h a night for another couple of weeks, and you know, kind of nail it out of the you know.

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Knock it out, of the park. that's going to create a big imbalance in where we are you're going to be way ahead of us, and we're going to be way behind you and We won't have participated in

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it so i'm not suggesting one course or another that we're caught in this mind, where we want to work together, and we are just not working together, which again is fine if that's where we want to be that if and when

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we're going to be productive we're going to have to slow down.

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This is the really hard part right we're gonna have to slow down, and everybody is going to have to figure out how to do things together that are uncomfortable and not feeling like you know It's like Jordan once you do

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this part, Pete? Why don't you Do that part Bill why don't you do that part?

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Because I don't know how to do it that's the definition of not doing it together right? so someday we'll probably work together. I would love that until then we're not working together even if we all

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occupy the same space for a couple hours a week There's a saying slow is smooth smooth as fast. We're at that point where we're trying to go as fast as possible.

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And to do that we're going to have to slow down and work together smoothly, and then we can proceed with alacrity fast

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You're beautiful thank you

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And we're coming up to almost 2 30 so go

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What a call definitely feeling it. I raised my hands when Jonathan mentioned the

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Love is fiat and also just speaking about it and we've moved through other things now, but it's only getting kind of richer and harder right, because I think it's a great call but it's also hard and I

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feel it and speaking of love and using it, then speaking it into space.

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And Jordan I don't have the quote of what you said, but you said it really beautiful, and I you know I think that belongs in on the front page somewhere as a snippet, too, as as a place to come from and

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it's not you know it's open and

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I don't. On one hand everything in me wants to speak more into being, and into reality, into articulation, into recognition.

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Into visibility in every space, but especially productive progressive spaces, where I believe something can happen for the better future.

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The value and the practicality of different forms, many forms of love.

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And how to. You know all the how to about it, and that off about it.

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And, on the other hand, it makes me shaking my boots. And just this morning I was having a call with someone is a very wise person, and he was kind of advising and admonishing me to do. the hardest thing and the

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hardest thing is fully embody, fully embody being who I am, and being where I am, including the feelings and including whatever unfinished businesses.

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And you know, conflicts and all of that not running to escaping, and that running to projects and not running to rationalize.

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It's a really good reasoning, and I think unless we are unless we are ready to have our hearts completely broken.

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We probably can't really talk about bringing love beyond whatever we're able to do body and hold it doesn't mean I don't want to.

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I want to no my my heart's already breaking and broken but it's i'm feeling it's like this is so much what's happening, and i'm having that conversation with my friends you know with my

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girlfriends and my guy friends so there's something in the air.

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That's having that happen, anyway. So i'm just gonna be using it.

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Maybe it might as well be us. I just want to speak that yeah we're all asking for heartbreak.

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If we are asking to go deeper, and recognize and use and abide in that, it's not a reason not to do it.

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In fact, it might be the reason to articulate practicalities around it.

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This is what this is, how you do. This is what you do in community.

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This is how you I don't know module arise and processes for other people.

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Right. but I just wanna speak it out here and you know whether we turn it into currency or not.

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I mean that's that becomes just a small question because a bigger question is, what happens to us, and how are we going to be with each other and with ourselves.

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I try to embody everything that gets third in this meeting i'm i'm gonna be running so fast because I don't think I can not run

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But it's a good you know it's a good heartbreak.

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Right, So, anyway. i'll leave you with that so that's here.

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Okay, we are we're at 2 30 so we need to

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So, Michael and Wendy, we will hear your comments over coffee, but I just wanna break for anybody who needs to jump off the call.

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Thank you so much, so So next week we'll be starting a new 6 weeks cycle.

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Building on all of this, and really really excited and I think if we really really took seriously everything we discussed today, especially.

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That's way. So I wanna just kind of acknowledge anybody that needs to jump off the call and over coffee.

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Not part of the formal meeting, and Michael, with anybody else, stay on

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Go ahead! Michael!

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Yeah I to a little bit to it, Pete was saying, and and some of what?

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Some of it was discussed yesterday in the social dimension conversation.

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I think a lot of this kind of false start feeling.

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And and where do we put our resources, sources, and what is people working alone, and what is us working together?

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Dem's from the lack of definition between when it just you know how our our individual parts and separate efforts and those of people who aren't in this room into this movement, and the difference between this movement and Lionsburg

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which is, is an individual effort with in this movement and you know It's a distinction, I mean I can remember Jordan at times you saying that those 2 terms were interchangeable, and you know at at at various times I've

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pushed back on that just because I think it makes it hard.

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You know Lionsburg is a thing you know has a lot of structure, and is something that I think many of us want to support and want to see flourish without knowing how, or even if we would fit into it or under it.

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and and

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The the Meta project the movement I mean this was some stuff that I was as posting in chat, too, and and also stuff has said before, and sorry if I'm being redundant.

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But it just seems to me that that that movement is what we you know.

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Wish we could write a constitution for and we're just not there, and we don't have the right to in a way or a declaration, or start a petition or have a list of bullet points and you know it's

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audaciously of us to think that we can. but at the same time we are part of a massive, massive, massive, you know, group of hundreds of thousands, millions, maybe billions that has the right to, and the need to sort of

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define that that movement so

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Separating ourselves from from that per view, well acknowledging the efforts we all want to make in that direction as individuals, as companies, nonprofits, loose groups, and and and say that we're all here as representatives of

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those things to help each other be part of the greater Meta project.

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Doesn't preclude relationships to Lionsburg and you know some of us are doing things that might relate to Lionsburg.

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Some of us aren't other entities exist that are more mature that are part of this movement.

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You know future capital. The un you know you know the nation of Astonia, I mean all, all of these sovereign entity entities and people are have roles in this greater larger movement, and if we're here, If our

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meetings are as I don't know what members supporters consider consultants.

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I can take a lot of different roles to Lionsburg the entity, or or well, or not I mean I think I think we have to define somehow when we're doing that, and when we're not and it's

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fine. I mean I I like love everything that i've seen and heard and feel like there are lots of specifics about Lionsburg that I totally could get behind and at the same time.

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If we're talking about the movement that we've called the Meta Project

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I I think it's not 2 meta as pete was saying, to be like figuring out how we can fit with other people on that

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But we're in no position to organize it and and be flag bears.

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I I I sorry, i'm I I feel like i'm not really able to articulate this, but I I think the separation of the 2 things, and where we can be practical at our own level of existing organizations and

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individuals versus you know, being the ones to to Harold and Kickstart.

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This movement. I think we have a a problem. We have a we have a lack of clarity.

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There, that we need to get clear, separate, and do nameable things

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I was probably more articulate in the chat on some of here.

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We go onto the next. Thank you for your voice, Michael. really appreciate that express.

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That

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Could I offer a comment or an observation, because this is such a wonderful group of people?

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First of all and the diversity in the group is high because of different life experiences different core trainings and so forth, and it's beautiful to watch, and at the same time challenging because of the with and breadth and

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depth of perspective that individuals bring to the topic at hand.

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And then multiply that by about a 1 billion, and you get to the full potential scope of Meta.

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And so, on the one hand, I think we should feel good that we're experiencing learning pains right now because that's part of the operational growth of an ecosystem of people, at whatever scale at the same time my

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sensibilities would suggest that we have to be somewhat reasoned in concrete about what is realistic for us to try to do toward the much, much larger goal, or it can devolve into frustration and disengagement and

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This is far too worthy to allow that to happen I don't have a solution at this point, but I would invite everyone to think about some of those questions over the next week, and perhaps we can.

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I don't know whether we want to use the matter most or some other process to share some of those thoughts in a in a framework, because it could easily turn into quite a lot of reading, and that would be wonderful and frightening at the same

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time. and so I I think that the sentiment I hear is everyone wants to help with this. and the frustration is, there's so many dimensions. it's hard to know specifically what any one person can do or even if

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each of us had an army behind us, what we would try to persuade our army to do, and maybe Legion is a better worth than army.

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But I guess I think I i'm both hardened and a bit frustrated as a general sentiment to what we're experiencing.

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But I would share that. this is a common behavior evolving groups of people, and the bigger the project the more complex the patterns are that evolve. and what I would invite each person to do if you're willing is to think about

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questions like, you know. Who could I help in general? What could I do to help?

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How would I know if I was successful? those sort of briefive questions that each of us probably practice when we think about taking a new job or joining in the organization?

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You know is this where my time does it fit with what I can do?

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Or will it frustrate. me but I think if each of us did a little bit of that self reflection in addition to what we're already doing, and I'm not suggesting that we're not all doing some of it

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anyway. but there might be a path that would become. more apparent to us on what things we could reasonably do now, and how many more millions of people need to be involved to do more.

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I think i'll stop there

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Okay, let's go to jonathan and then I'm gonna make a final comment. and then unless any nobody else has anything, we're in an amazing space to kind of old duties Michael's statement, and

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judy's inquiry and maybe just let that rest next week.

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So, Jonathan, you have the final Wow! So I love the idea.

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The judges, proposing of selecting some good questions, and then really thinking about it, because we generate really good questions.

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And I I wanna see us again. The ability to follow through on those, and was wondering if, during our retrospective, we, as a group, could pick R.

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3 favorite questions, and you know, Agree? Yeah, these 3 are the best.

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Something like that. Because this this meeting and others like it is so precious and one way to move them forward is to narrow our focus, or we're thinking, might go in the intervening for letting me off for that

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Let's take before I make a final comment let's do a quick waterfall.

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Let's take a couple of minutes and respond to Jonathan and Judy is not on the questions.

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And just give everybody a chance to write any questions you have into the chat like what would be the wisest right questions for us to be about at this juncture.

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Distribute those, as we think and head into next week so Let's take 2 or 3 min, and just the why is this great question we could ask ourselves this week.

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Right.

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How are we doing on questions? Anybody like more time?

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Wendy. Michael, you guys good

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Go.

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Give us a second to review this, and then final comment will close out here

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Okay. closing comment is, I think that how? first of all, Thank you.

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This was an immensely rich indeed! discussion let's say thank you exactly what a retrospective where Michael and Judy left off, and where a lot of our conversation pointed to.

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I think, is exactly what we as we head into the next 6 weeks, and question that I wrestled with for many many years, as we couldn't find the place to push on or the meta project.

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Let's say and it's abstract and universal form through to actually years with coaches trying to figure out what could we go?

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Push on that if we drove it to its logical end, with every bit of resources and relationships and energy we could possibly muster, would accomplish question.

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The total set of global Goals and forge the kind of future that we all desire.

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And we can find anything

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And so we can get lost in these abstract brands.

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Bye, and we can wonder what a that a project is, and we can wonder what all Lionsburg is, whatever, and one way to shatter.

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That is to just realize that they're all simple inventions and words of people in this room to try to communicate something.

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So there is no abstraction like it's us it it's us, and we're here and

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I tried for years to figure out what to put weight behind so that billions of people wouldn't like supper and starve, and maybe have a chance of gathering whatever allies we could to i'll try to do a little

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better than what's happening, and the best mythical thing I could come up with for a very practical structure to deal with government cash flows, philanthropic cash flows, investment cash flows and

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create space to actually track energy like force, was advocating for right checks like taken philanthropic funds, taken investment funds and actually act out propositions.

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We had to pick something, and so what's that there until something called Lyons for dropped and recognizing the ethical names don't work, and people need very pragmatic descriptions.

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We, you know, sat and wrote, for I sat in road. We sat in road 4 years until we decided to try something like Meta Project and something like Meta-game for trying to figure out what we might all play in together So I think as we

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start the next cycle. we should grapple with what Michael just put forward and let Judy just put forward and go.

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Okay, Well, if we're not gonna take responsibility for this because there's some them out there that it's like, Whose job is that?

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Whose responsibility is it? Where are they? cause I need to go find them.

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But i've been looking for many many years now and I find that they're on this call, and they're out there in all of our different relationships, and I can't find anything to go push on I can find thousands or

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millions of themit amazing leaders and organizations i'd like to support and empower and resource, and equip with tools and technology and knowledge and relationships, and, like so many brilliant real things happening that need to happen and need

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to be swimming and resources that they don't have right now I can find those, and I think we should find those, and we should connect up and empower them, and I feel like until we find that them out there that has This

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handled it's we should act as if it's up to us as uncomfortable as that is, and figure out how we go from we are to who we need to become then who else needs to be here?

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And so that's I guess my final word is I Just feel like I can't you know, get up and look myself in the mirror every morning, unless I act as if that was our responsibility until such a time as you know we find

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some them out there. who's got it the grand challenges and global Goals covered so we can relax until then it's like I think it's our job That's a big risk to not act as if that were true Michael

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I wanna thank you again for the deep, deep care with which you articulate those things on your heart that are so true and so important, really really valuable.

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And I appreciate the care that you take to express those things.

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So on. So i'm really really excited about 2 4 i'm gonna spend a lot of time with the notes from the day I took a lot of notes and I apologize I would maybe wasn't doing good job with being very collaborative with

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that content? Would you like to? Would you be willing to drop that onto the Wiki?

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I will i'll also post links to the Metadata town square.

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That project down square. Yeah, I think these notes are like super valuable.

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And then I really look forward to next week. and then yeah we've got lots of adjustments, and thank you guys so much for hanging in there.

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I realize that my leadership and communications have been and adequate the last few weeks, and grateful for just process, while we would strap up so deeply, deeply appreciated love and appreciate each of you this is a really rich

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call excited. We'll see you guys, Thanks everybody thank you Thank you so much.